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I really think a level of swordsage is better for the rogue than any of these. Compare: Rage 1x/day, +10' movement or 1 bonus feat or favored enemy, track and animal empathy or Constant Island of blades (pretty good all it’s own) 4 of Rapid counter, Emerald razor, Burning Blade, shadow...

It is for these reasons that I want to create a sublime rogue actually. A rogue can take 3 levels of swordsage and lose a little to gain so much. Assassin stance saves his sneak progression. Sure, if he'd taken martial stance as a feat it'd be that much better but all those shadow hand...

Yeah i am completely seduced by the ToB. I've even started experimenting with giving some core/base classes a maneuver progression. I believe Nfft will go in that direction as well *hoping* It's become quite a project however. For example, what would you do with a sublime rogue? Well, the...

BAB affects so many things i think it shouldn't be raised with feats at all.

btw Nifft, I like the direction you took the 'martial' assassin. Maneuvers are great for the assassin archtype. I would call this the true 'assassin' and the SRD assassin the 'arcane assassin'. But I take it from your earlier comment you don't get caught up in that stuff. I do though. ;)...

Just glanced at it (the starting rage really) but I like it. I was also playing with a rage variant somewhere that granted temp HP based on barb level. Now that I think about it i'm not sure if it was by barb level or char level. That reminds me. Personally I'd post the class directly on the...

Alright! A new one!!!!!!! *sigh* I have to go to work early tomorow so I'll have to get to this one later (ahh well, a nice excuse to bump it later). For now I'll share someting that you may find useful. I made a similar discipline though it focused more on inflicting damage than healing. I...

This depends heavly on what books you use. The thing about sorcerers getting a quickened metamagic at 20 is that you can have that option if you use the PHB II. All you have to do is sacrifice your familliar (aka easly killable bundle of xp). ToB really throws in a twist. This guy named...

That's an option for some classes. Less for the fighter than, for example, the rogue. The fighter has many more dead levels.

This has been done on the wizard boards. Look on the class boards for something like 'feat founded fighter fix vol 2' Something like that. It’s a lot to read though. DungeonMaester, I'm not sure what you're arguing. You seem to say that all classes should gain this benefit, but then you...

Or you can take a prestige class and get the increased hit points, BAB and saves and a cool ability. ;) EDIT: So I'm game. I hate dead levels.

I like that idea. I'm thinking something similar to d20 modern occupations.

Looking forward to the full maneuver writeups. They should answer a lot of my questions (posted earlier and now). Lets see... Works for me. While I like that you are using intimidate, I'm thinking that perhaps a static number might be better. Blood in the water doesn't scale this well...

Ooooohhh. I missed that.

A very interesting idea. A couple of things I've seen so far. (only read the first 2 posts) Silver: I don't agree with the +1 to attack. Silver is softer than iron no? I can't see why it would have the bonus. I could see the reduced ACP. I do believe it is lighter. of course silver armor...

very cool Nfft. Nice dark flavor. I'd love to read some more fluff. Something to make it more distinct from shadow hand (or even work it as a sub-discipline of shadow hand?) Or perhaps you are re-arranging maneuvers to fit a different theme? I know I am. Also, some feats would be awesome...

ToB Baby!!!

Well, I love n&ss. As far as the weapon vs. unarmed, why not add a feat called 'weapon kata?' I've started redoing ToB maneuvers to better fit n&ss concepts- more 'martial art powers' than fighting styles however. I was really thinking of blending the two. I've even created a discipline...

I say yes. The rogue is giving up a lot to get those feats (unless the party is fighting mostly undead). And that's if he doesn't have a wand of gravestrike.

Li, I like your thinking so far. I haven't had time to read completely so forgive anything I've missed. +5 to the DC? Personally, i don't think bluff fits very well. Would a diplomacy retry (with no penalty) be so bad? The skill implies that retries would have some sort of penalty. You...