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Yeah, this is a revelation for me. I always assumed that it was 1e, but when I started learning that there were all kinds of other D&Ds out there, I began to doubt. I knew about basic, but didn't know that there were so many versions of it!

I wanted to touch upon some points that were made earlier in the thread, namely 1) that WotC "ruined" the lore of D&D, and 2) that the hype leading up to 4th had people excited for a big let-down. Point 1, is highly subjective. I get that for some people, it is a form of sacred cow, but for me...

Yes indeed, that was it. I haven't seen that image in close to 25 years, but I recognize it without a doubt, it made that much impression on me (I don't know why). Did that image appear in any other version of the printed rules up to 1987? (I tried to XP you for producing that, but have done...

Good to know! I'll have to dig my 1e books out of the box and check sometime. I have a feeling that it was a boxed set, but I don't have a copy of those, so I can't check...

Neat poll! Unfortunately I literally can't answer it though, because I honestly don't know what version was used to introduce me to the game! It was circa 1987-ish, so either 1e, some version of Basic, or OD&D. If I had to guess, I would say probably a boxed set, but I have almost zero way of...

You can roll for stats and the CB will call it houseruled even though it's in both the PHB and the RC. I just don't think that they felt it necessary to spell out the fact that you can alter the number of stat-points to hand out at character creation. I think it should have been explicitly...

First of all, Oberoni primarily refers to "broken" rules and systems like LFQW. Second, there is nothing preventing you from running a "mid treasure" game. At all. Even in the scope of the rules. Treasure is, and has always been, DM purview, so Oberoni doesn't apply. Further, nothing stops you...

So adding in one extra level that takes an extra session is... somehow magically the answer? No, not buying it. Oberoni refers to a specific loophole or flaw in the rules as presented and that by suggesting Rule 0 as a way to "fix" it. As pemerton points out above, it's even in the DMG! It's a...

There actually was an "apprentice" type supplement for 4e, in Dragon or Dungeon a while ago. Not sure what you're referring to in the second half of your sentence though. 4e's advancement is fully tweakable, just as much as any other edition; you can increase or decrease the XP gain by whatever...

This thread is still going! Awesome. I don't have the inclination to wade through all 200 pages; was there ever an updated list of links made?

Using some form of power cards will definitely help keep things clean and flowing at the table. I recommend Magic Set Editor with the "Ander" template, though you will have to add many of the newer things manually. I use these for most of the players in my group, and it really helps. As has...

Neat idea, OP. I like it. I too find Next's skill system of narrow, specific skill bonuses tied to specific stats undesirable. I was more keen on it when you could at least try to "leverage" your good stats, depending on what action you were taking, but I still prefer the short, broad list of...

Just because you insist that I'm making it up, doesn't make it so! Fact: All surveys thus far have had the respondent indicate their edition of choice at or near the top. Hypothesis: They are using that data to weigh the responses given in that survey. Basis given. Next.

No, you pretty much did imply and state that you thought I said what I did because I believe it to be true based on zero evidence, which is not the case. I believe it to be a possibility, as I said. It is a hypothesis that fits the facts available. Time will tell.

Yes, I own it. I said it, which is, strangely enough, what I said. Though, I did, in fact present it as a possibility, not fact that I can prove. Call it a hypothesis if you like, but I did not and do not expect it to carry any more weight than any of the other idle speculation in this thread...

Perhaps, but you'll be a lot more choosey about it. There can be little doubt that the entertainment budget is the first thing to get slashed when hard times hit, and in that regard RPGs have a lot of stiff competition. And it's not every gamer's primary hobby. And you will note the part about...

Descends? That's what it's been the whole time! So that leaves us to banter back and forth as to what makes "reasonable" conjecture. I disagree with your analysis, as usual, and so I am dismissing it, since you have nothing to back it up with. Feel free to do the same with what I, or anyone...

To say nothing of the fact that it came out the same year that the US economy took its worst nose dive since the Great Depression, the likes of which they are still recovering from. And you forgot to include the numbers for DDI in your pretend math. Even with only 50k subscribers at the best...

Nope! So feel free to dismiss it. However, you will note that I wasn't stating it as some kind of fact; I merely presented it as a possibility. Which it is (a possibility). It carries every bit as much weight as the speculation that the pro-4e naysayers make up less than 10% of the feedback...

Pure conjecture based on no evidence whatsoever. Anything presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. That's where the "& co" part comes in. In any case, judging by the podcasts, he has more than a small influence on the design though. Like I said, I think that he probably...