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IMHO those are only playable by hardcore optimizers, and even in their hands the class is merely of average power. If you've played one and had a different experience, I'd love to hear about it, because I love their flavor. It's just that their mechanics require a VERY specific progression, and...

Disagree. All you need to surpass the Fighter is the stuff in the SRD. Sure, you can make other classes even better by using supplements, but those supplements aren't necessary if your goal is just to make the Fighter look bad. He was like that already. Cheers, -- N

Around level 14, the best thing a primary caster can do isn't usually damage. (Damage is king from level 5 to level 10 or so.) IMHO you can get a lot of shape-shifting value from the arcane spell list at high level, so I wouldn't bother being a shape-changer. You are 1-2 levels away from...

Agreed. Not to be negative about a character you like -- and certainly not to question the value of setting people on fire -- but aren't you delighting in the abilities granted you by the Swordsage class rather than the Fighter class? Cheers, -- N

Did you misspell "Ork"? Cheers, -- N

Here's how you break a Druid: 1/ Feats. Take the feats Scribe Scroll (perhaps at 1st level) and Natural Spell (always at 6th level). 2/ Animals. Read through the stats for all Animals in all available monster books and memorize the best ones of each type. Know which ones get specific bonus...

If that's the universe you play in, then why the heck didn't your character just do that in the first place? Find a creature with goals similar to your own, then negotiate with it, then call and bind it. Intelligence and legwork are vital in more than just this one situation. Cheers, -- N

So you're saying a Fighter can compete with a dog, but only if the dog makes bad feat choices. This is incorrect. First off, the dog's AC is 16 and his attack bonus is +4 (with Weapon Focus) all the time. Your dude can't even pretend he has AC 16 if there are two or more opponents (because...

Yeah, those Celestials are total bastards. "How dare you pay me to help save the universe!" -- N

The dog's speed (40 ft. = 8 squares = charge 16 squares) means he can get into melee with ranged attackers & spell-slingers much more easily. The dog's +5 bonus to Reflex saves means he can avoid breath weapons & low-level save-or-suck spells like entangle & grease. Large foes and quadrupeds...

IMHO, the deliberate derailment of a thread -- "threadcrapping" in general -- should be valued by comparing the original content of the thread with the lowest common denominator ("crap"). In the case of this particular edition war thread, the lowest common denominator is better than the...

Favorite classes: Binder - Good powers, great flavor. Warblade - Finally, a melee dude who's useful through 20th level. Swordsage - Like a Monk, but awesomer. Spellthief - Such a cool idea, but so terribly underpowered. Cloistered Cleric - Take the Trickery domain, and become the goddamn...

We're not talking about man biting dog. We're talking about which one is better in a fight against typical opponents one might find in a dungeon. PvP is a whole little world unto itself, because PCs and monsters aren't all that similar. You're getting mixed up here. The wolf or dog has ZERO...

I'm here for reasoned discussion. You seem to be expecting partisan rhetoric. If my own best analysis causes me to reject my premise, that's fine. I like being good at kicking ass. THINKING IS FOR MORONS, SHUT UP AND HAVE FUN! But I-- SHUT UP AND HAVE FUN! ARE YOU HAVING FUN YET?! Well it--...

If the Fighter takes Toughness, I shall point at him and laugh. He has made a bad decision that will be with him for his whole career. It's mentioned in the text you quoted. Fine stat array choices. Now compare that guy vs. the Riding Dog (Str 15, AC 16). The question isn't whether a Fighter...

Conan is a Barbarian, and Jet Li is a Monk. Fighters in film include the Gimp. I did, and I do, which is why I typed the rest of the post you were commenting on. Okay, if you change the default rules so that 1st level characters are better than normal, then you can expect your 1st level...

Unless you intended to accuse someone of deliberate falsehood, you might want to tone down the rhetoric. Lucky for him he comes with a free Druid, isn't it. Fighter gets 10+con hp; Wolf gets 2d8+4 (13) hp. A Fighter with a 15 Con loses. Advantage: Wolf. Wolf has AC 14 (touch 12, flat-foot...

You were trying to tell me that Fighters have an advantage over Barbarians, who get Light and Medium armor. If you weren't talking about Heavy armor, what was your point? 1/ Wizards get more spells per day as they go up in level. Each of those spells gets more potent as they go up in level, and...

In that case, NOBODY needs a buff to start a fight. That's not exactly pedantry -- you're dismissing FEADIN's post while quoting mine. Having seen the spreadsheets some CharOp guys made to figure out the best uses for Power Attack, I'm not at all convinced that playing a Strength-based melee...

There is no mechanical penalty for having only one eye, so this is pure flavor. There's a Ring of X-Ray Vision which you could use as the basis for this effect. Cheers, -- N