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Interesting notion... perhaps halve the amount of days spent creating an item or something of that sort?

Bwahahaha! Regarding the bard & cleric cooperating... well, they may have to decide if it is arcane or divine, but not both? Although I think that only applies to scrolls, as wands and potions aren't classed by divine or arcane, only scrolls are. I think we could add that stipulation for the...

Well put RA.

I don't really have a problem letting item crafters have a co-crafter who donates the pre-requisites including any spells known to the crafting of an item, so long as it doesn't change the nature of the spell (arcane or divine wise). Basically, if a divine caster wants a wizard or artificer to...

While the marshal makes an effective party booster, the bard makes a much better face and social character while at the same time being a solid party booster. The bard can be played to many different tunes, more than most people think I imagine, which the marshal cannot even mimic. I don't...

I did some checking, but it looks like RA beat me to posting up info. Alot of the CR 10-12 creatures have grapple checks usually a good deal of +20. So, I don't think it's that much of a problem.

"Fraternizing is fine, even a solider can rest when the war is over." Ari smiles at the shifter, "did you know Carrilot well?" He takes another nip of the nasty brew, "definately harsher than I'm used to, guess I'll say that about a lot of things now that I'm on my own."

Good point :)

I think this is a generally good idea, although I might give out some bonus "days" by level or in conjunction with item creation feats. That way it's more of a compromise between a time unit and a craft point system.

FX... i was waiting for the shifter to answer me.

I figured we should move this into a new thread so it doesn't clutter up the Detail Discussion thread. I'll be adding some of the info from the Detail Discussion to this first post and then add in the final proposal once discussion has gone on for a bit of time. Proposal Characters begin with...

We should have a thread to discuss the craft point & time unit merging we had thought out earlier in this thread. Thread is here.

I'm going to leave the running for this game... becoming a judge for LEB and trying to rededicate my time to training should cut down on my availability and I don't want to drop out midgame.

It did seem that we discussed them in part, that we were generally okay with them unlike the others which triggered greater discussion and thus aren't on this list.

1) The marshal lacks the diversity of skills and skill points of the bard as well as the spellcasting ability. Also, with the various bard feats from ECS and CV (proposed elsewhere) it is very unlikely that the marshal will at all replace the bard. 2) The Chilling Tentacles invocation is...

Of what sort? We did have a lot of discussion in the other thread regarding these base classes.

For all of the bardic music feats perhaps add them to the list of choices that the bard can pick as shown in the ECS in place of other abilities. Otherwise... I don't see too much to discuss. Yes

Yep... Yes

Third... Yes

Dai nods, "ya not be leavin' without me."