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One option that I haven't seen suggested (unless I've missed it, which in as large a discussion as this one is entirely possible!) is the use of optional/substitution abilities. People who dislike the new/upgraded/over the top abilities could ignore them and use the classes as per the PHB, while...

I voted somewhere in the Gap, as that is probably the minimum a fighter should be at 20th level, just based on what 20th level characters are fighting. The Tarrasque is something that a group could theoretically fight, and the fighter is expected to go up and try to hurt it with a sword. I'm not...

I think the problem with the monk is that fighting unarmed is not a terribly great niche anyway. Even in a universe where an unarmed fighting style never got made, the Monk is a class that basically uses class features to replicate a generally less damaging attack and lower ac than a fighter...

How specific is a niche though? Lockpicking as the example, was once a "niche" of the Thief class. Well, except for the Knock spell. But what about, say, the fighter? The closest thing I can think was ever a niche for them was getting weapon mastery, which is really specific. In contrast...

So, mechanics then. I suspected so, based on the initial post, but figured I would try to clarify for my own sake. The idea of changing saving throws doesn't really do anything for me personally in sameyness, but as you said, it's a side note. It doesn't really change much anyway, besides...

Thoughts on reducing sameness.... I guess the first question I would have is what qualifies sameness? Is it a diversity of mechanics, a sort of identity tied to each class or a distinctive feel in play for each class? Or is a combination of these things, or, perhaps, something I am completely...

I think it is difficult to come up with a separate class for Assassin that doesn't feel like it's mostly a riff off the rogue. So, while the assassin subclass could definitely use some tweaking, I'm not sure trying to make an entire class around the concept will work out well.

This thread has moved quickly. Anyway, after some clarification, I think it is perfectly fine to have a setting where the assumption is that everyone will have some level of magic. If the mechanics have a flaw system of some sort, you could have a non-magic/magic adverse flaw, like some systems...

That is a good question, but the answer is a bit more difficult, and it depends on if you are asking for an in universe explanation or not. In universe it is entirely possible that everyone would learn some magic, assuming the setting works like that. But there is a lot of variables there. Does...

Fighter in theory. Sometimes the mechanics are a bit of a let down, but yah, the warrior type is my favorite archetype. Rogues would be a close second.

Those same people don't endorse giving spells to every single class, so ultimately they and WotC will have to find a middle ground. The ranger can keep it's spells in my opinion for what it is worth, but saying it is impossible to make a non-magical ranger is basically saying you can never make...

Is that a problem with the concept though? The execution of Hide in Plain Sight is lackluster sure, but if your argument is that non-spellcasting abilities cannot inherently be interesting or useful, than there is a bigger problem than just a non-spellcasting ranger since we have 4 other core...

I was waiting for this one, as The City of Ravens was one of the Forgotten Realms novels I really enjoyed awhile back. I think your assessment is pretty fair though. What it really does well, like you said, is make sure you're never bored. Something is always happening, and even after Jack gets...

If you are standing in the Grease you make the save to fall down when you end your turn, so you won't be able to stand up until your next turn. You can potentially get up when you enter the area of Grease and fall.

We will have to agree to disagree on that. I don't think I'd use one of my more powerful slots for such an effect, especially when I could use it for something like Hold Monster, Wall of Force, Telekinesis or even Cone of Cold. Maybe, at really high levels, I might be willing to drop a 5th level...

It's been awhile since that game, but I believe the set up was Grease, Barbarian in front, and cleric immediately behind with spiritual guardians. Which meant the grease and guardians overlapped, which made movement in there pretty difficult. Entering causes save vs prone, get up with half...

We got some use out of it in Curse of Strahd. We used it to create a chokepoint in a werewolf den with a cleric using Spiritual Guardians, and the barbarian blocking the way out of the grease.

I guess I'm still a bit confused to be honest? I don't disagree with what you're saying I think, but I honestly am not sure where this conversation is going.

I assume you mean that the fighter's Extra Attack at 11th level shouldn't be equal to a wizard's acquisition of 6th level spells on the basis that it can be used at will rather than an expended resource? Feel free to correct me if I misinterpreted that. My statement was that it's hard to...

I just think Grease isn't the spell that should be the spearhead for if there are balance issues between martials and casters. There are frankly, much better examples. I agree that Action Surge is powerful. I've often considered it one of the more powerful single abilities in the game. But...