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Way to entierly strawman the argument because you coul;dn't find a counter Well, from my perspective I feel this entire thread is pathologizing my preference for more immersive and sincere storytelling, my preference for emotionally driven roleplay and my dislike of toilet humor. I had people...

You know what? just watch this video and you'll get what I have an issue with I think it is quite a strawman to draw a line from "gets invested into the roleplay" and "is too stupid to diffirentiate fiction from reality". It strikes me like a fear of being sincere and putting your emotions on...

That is still WAY different from actively mocking people for trying to get immersed or invested the way bathos works.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathos?useskin=vector Short answer: That scene with Loki and Hulk in first Avengers movie that Hollywood has copied ad nauseatum ever since. And now you're conflating getting invested in the roleplay and story with inability to tell what happens to your characters...

Again, my whole issue is philosophy that I feel encourages ignoring the lines like that and then crying "muh creativity" when people get mad about it. And I feel old Command encouraged exactly that.

Most of the bathos joeks are supposed to be in-character too. And personally I'm sick and tired of seeing in all media the fear of comittment, the constant winking to the audience and laughing that anyone could take it seriously are insulting. The normal in-character jokes I can stand, but I'm...

Yeah, I think this is a very irony-posoned, bathos-overdosed perspective. If you think d&d is effectively worthless as roleplaying game and any attempt at getting invested into the story or characters should be undermined with fart joke and laughed at, I think we want very different things from...

Yes, but I don't need to run up the whole wall, 200 feet is enough

Shar the City of Towers, for one. Castle Ravenloft works too.

Well, the Monk now has reason to dash even further up that wall

Any evidence of this statement?

I agree, the obsession 3.5 and Pathfinder had with rules made me outright quit the hobby for years, 5e brought me back.

Not every humor needs to be bathos, and personally I'm sick of seeing bathos everywhere, to the point it is outright poisoning people's perspective and they report struggling to get immersed into sincere works, due to enforced expectation at any point they will be laughed at for taking things...

No, I have said this one spell that has common issue of enabling this gross humor shouldn't be in the rules.

Yet somehow every time this spell is mentioned it's in context of doing something gross or juvenile and bragging about "outsmarting" the DM. So some gross jerk's preference being forced on everyone else is okay but I'm a puritan for not liking that? Honestly, it feels to me you guys think the...

AGAIN my issue is I feel the 2014 Command ENCOURAGED PROBLEM PLAYERS TO IGNORE SESSION ZERO AND LINES AND VEILS and then cry "muh creativity!" when called on it. I certainly don't have the right to say I don't want toilet humor on my table, according to thins thread. Well I guess you could be...

So because you didn't have a problem, it means anyone who does is dictatorial puritan? you sound to me like you cannot handle that not everyone are okay with the things you are okay with? There is nothing creative in the "I want to make villain poop his pants", it's juvenile.

So I'm now being a puritan for not wanting on my table gross humor that makes me nauseated?

And they can play their gross games where they allow things like that. Why must enabling gross behavior be thedefault mode of the game? So you wouldn't respect the game to respect other people's boundaries and don't do gross toilet humor when it drives people sick?

New question: On D&D Beyond they say Warrior of Mercy Monk can now only use Flurry of Healing Hands a number of times equal their Wisdom Modifier per Logn Rest, except...2014 Mercy Monk does not have an ability named this way, just Flurry fo healign and Harm. Am I correct to assume this refers...