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I think when people watch Star Wars, they do often miss that it's critical of American Imperialism. There really was a point where the duly elected leader of the Republic created the first Grand Army of the Republic to crush a rebellion. That leader was Abraham Lincoln. It's a kid series but it...

I didn't like the Thrawn novels. Mara Jade was okay but I didn't like her storylines. The Yuzhan Vong were Star Trek villains that accidentally wandered into the Star Wars galaxy. I didn't like Rodians getting the Planet of Hats treatment. I was actually pretty happy with the EU being jettisoned.

A lot of people think of Star Wars as a "Planet of Hats" setting, but if you look at the main sources, members of species have all sorts of various professions.

So basically, if you were a rogue, the best options were a rapier, or a more rapier-y rapier. That's part of what threw me into this chain of thought. I previously envisioned rogues using mostly short swords, or depending on the edition, maybe a long sword, or maybe they have a variant trait...

Then demonstrate it. You claimed they were used in battle all the time, and then for your example gave a musket unit from near the end of the rapier's life. I didn't make you say any of that. If by demonstrably false, you mean, definitely true. Look, we're all trying to have a good time here...

I asked you to name an example of a rapier being used as an officer sidearm, and the one example you came up with was a modern musketeer unit. I don't move the goalposts, you never cleared the first one. Own goal.

Your example is very modern, and I'm confident they did not often use their rapiers against enemy horse. This isn't some test or dare, by the way. If you can come up with a second example feel free. But if it's not example of soldiers going up against contemporaneous longsword users or the like...

Very good. So let's go ahead and note that the Caroleans were musketeers and pikeman. Relate that to the present discussion in any way you wish. I, personally, would choose the musket against a dragon.

I'm not advocating you go up against a large creature with any of those things. I might prefer "a wooden stick" of sufficient size over a rapier, though.

Anything is suitable for warfare, if you're desperate. Can you give me a single example of a rapier being used as the standard sidearm for any officer or "specialized unit?" The US Marines stopped drilling with the saber about two decades ago. The modern tactical knife is functionally similar...

Sorry, I've moved on . Yes. Sticking four inches of a rapier into something that big is probably not winning that fight for you. And what do you do for a second act? A rapier isn't even a better weapon than a mace, in general. It's a specialized dueling weapon.

There is no default penalty for wearing armor in P2E or Savage Worlds, that is specifically a quirk of Savage Pathfinder that imitates D&D 3e/P1E.

Anyhow, moving on from trying to explain repeatedly to people that the term rapier comes directly from the Italian and Spanish word ropera ("for dressing") and not from some arbitrary sword classification, and how transitional forms appear later in the 15th century and the rapier proper only in...

It really didn't. Transitional swords existed in the 15th century in Italy and Spain, that were called "dress swords," which provided the etymological origin of the German and English cognates of "rapier." This is a little like arguing that the existence of the show American Gladiator meant that...

AD&D actually uses the term "long sword," two words, which in Shakespeare's time sometimes did refer to a general one-handed sword. Basic D&D just called it a "sword," or when clarity was needed, "sword, normal." The bastard sword was correctly described in both games; it was starting with 3e...

Yep, that's a transitional weapon from 1490 Italy. So, not 1440, not Germany, and not a rapier. As I noted above, the terminology comes from Spain and Italy ("dress sword") and predates the rapier proper. That's a spada de lato. And I'm not just being picky, that thing is purely an arming...

My point was that it was called a rapier in the 20th century, "it" in this case being a 19th century sword, and rapiers, however you want to define them, did not exist in Germany in 1440. They should up a hundred years later in parts of Europe and don't really penetrate the German fencing world...

No, it just requires the "private donor" to donate a weapon in the museum called Rapier in the 15th century century German Style, probably made in the 18th or 19th century. Which, by the way, is a period of time in which historical knowledge of weaponry was weak and beset with all sorts of...