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Would I prefer that the rule spell out that if you leave cover, or otherwise are somehow seen, that the condition ends? Maybe. But if I pop out of cover with one guard with their back to me and another staring at me, I'd prefer to get advantage on the one rather than loose the condition...

I haven't seen anyone say that the general order of play has been changed from the 2014 PHB, or that specific rules beat general rules, and if those were changed than I might have to start agreeing with those who say this is an edition change :) General Order of Play DM describes the scene...

Specific beats general. When behiind 3/4 cover (which normally doesn't block line of site) take the hide action to potentially block it. It doesn't work with no cover because the rule doesn't say that. Outside of combat, it might still be possible (ie Nearly Impossible) but would be about...

It's not that hiding is only a combat action, it's that the rule being discussed is specifically a kind of codified action you take when in combat. Same with Search and Influence. Note that with all of these, the DM could still ask you to make a Stealth Check or a Perception Check or a...

This is exactly the point of taking the Hide action! It allows you to effectively block line of sight when they otherwise could see you while keeping an eye on them.

I'd suggest the following change. 3b: The gaurd turns his head while you go behind him, preventing you from gaining advantage on the attack, because she can 'somehow' see you.

If you're not in combat then you aren't using the in combat hiding rule that grants the invisible condition, you're using the regular order of play rules and making checks vs the DM DC. Again, the specific rule of the Hide action in combat overides the general rule of play. Same with the...

And the third case only applies if you have the invisible condition before combat starts. As for your scenario, I addressed that earlier. If you are in combat and walk past the guards, they see you do that. You may become invisible to them again if you break line of site, but that doesn't...

I would likely roll a d4 each time a rouge targets a guard to see if they are looking their way (on a 1 they are). Simple and fast.

I may be in the minority here, but I quite like that the rules for the Exploration and Social pillars of the game are even more vague for PCs. I want to keep those sections as rule-lite and story based as possible for my players, only getting into real crunch when combat happens. I feel it...

There are two steps here. The Invisible condition features don't function if you can be seen by a creature (stepping out of cover if they are looking in your direction) and ends if you make a noise louder than a whisper, attack or cast a spell. So let's say you pop out of cover, see that the...

For sure. I quite like that hiding in combat requires a minimum DC to achieve, since presumably everyone is keeping their head on a swivel to track where all of their enemies are. I also like that in combat they require 3/4 cover or being heavily obscured. It would have been nice if they...

Let me clarify. The actions described under the rules of combat are specific to being in initiative, overrulling any general action a player may take outside of combat. Outside of combat, the general order of play rules are used, where the DM describes a scene, the players choose how their...

Except that hiding in combat requires a minimum DC15 Stealth check to succeed (the specific rule in combat trumps the general rule of how DCs are set outside of combat). That is not a requirement outside of combat.

Of course you can. Doing so may initiatie combat, and then be governed by the rules of combat, otherwise they would be adjucated by the DM.

If your intent was to ambush, you would have 'Surprise' and get advantage on your initative roll (and possibly start combat with the Invisible condition, though that might require a higher DC). If your intent was to let them pass by (or to sneak by them), if you beat the DC you would acomplish...

You don't take the 'Hide' action outside of combat. Nor do you take the "Influence" or "Search" actions outside of combat. Outside of initiative (the definition of what starts combat rules), you describe what your character does and the DM asks for an ability check if the result is uncertain...

I'd need to see the text of the Invisibility Spell to apply the logic, has that been posted anywhere?

No, the Hide action is one of the possible actions you can take in combat. Outside of combat, if you describe your character trying to sneak past the guards, the DM will ask for an Dex (stealth) check against a DC they set if the outcome is uncertain.

And you don't get the benefit of the third because the Hide action is an action you take in Combat. So if you aren't getting any of the conditions, you are effectively no longer invisible. Let's say you are behind a turned over table, hiding. You made your DC15 check, and none of the...