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The Shadow. Doc Savage. The Sp;ider. Even Indiana Jones. These are not "ordinary people."

Daggerheart's great strength is that it liberally borrows from a lot of games to create something that is simultaneously new feeling and comfy.

The excluded middle, it burns. The question is about whether you would be inclined to a notably different version of D&D despite a clearly successful and (as far as D&D editions go) venerable -- not to mention EXTREMELY well supported by 3PPs -- edition in 5E is still going strong. I don't...

You literally just said it was with 3E.

EN World runs very old. You are a Millennial if i recall, and represent one of the younger regular posters.

Innovation can be how a thing is built from elements others pioneered, too.

I played early in its life for maybe 2 years? I never joined a guild or anything like that. I would team up with my brother and the occasional rando but otherwise treated it like a single player game. For a long time I would resub for new expansions but eventually got disillusioned that the...

Sure, but we have precedent.

It was rhetorical. I was saying that it IS NOT somehow worse to wish for a new version of D&D even though people like the current one, than the reverse.

I am not familiar with Trophy.

For me personally, I want a change that requires translation rather than conversion. For example, I had a campaign that was 5 years old using 2E when 3E came out. We finished it and the next campaign flowed directly from it (the PCs were the children of the previous characters) so the setting...

I'm not particularly worried about the ethical implications of my random musings.

That's my experience with WoW. The big expansions always look amazing, but then I log on and get bored with the loop very quickly.

There are folks that love 5E enough that even if they liked the new version, they would stick with 5E. This, of course, has been true of every new edition.

Is it more or less selfish than wishing for something to remain the same that many people want to see evolve?

Sure. But it also isn't the question at hand. But I would gladly participate in that thread.

We have been. For years.

Let's imagine an alternate universe in which D&D 2024 wasn't just an iteration on 5E but was an intentionally innovative game. We can keep that nebulous and say it held onto enough D&D tropes to still be D&D TO YOU (to avoid the inevitable 4E comparisons). Would you have decided to stick with...

As always, there is a LOT of "having your cake and eating it too" in this thread. What WotC does doesn't matter, at the same time that it is super important that D&D matters. Etc. No one plays or buys other games (relative to the numbers that play D&D), but at the same time innovation is from...

I am not sure how a complete lack of innovation in the industry leader could be good.