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Man, wouldn't that be an amazing paladin/warlock multiclass?

To me, it's fine that low tier fighters are mundane. Low tier casters are supernatural, but they chose classes that are all about the supernatural. People who choose fighters are more interested in beating something with a stick, and low tier casters are still weak enough that you can compete on...

To me, that usually feels like a lower level character handling high level challenges by what would be considered Skilled Play(tm) of the OSR variety, GM favoritism, or both. Batman doesn't fight Superman by being so good at martial arts that he can punch out kryptonians (being the same level as...

At the risk of sounding single-minded, this reminds me of the way the presence of wizards makes clerics and warlocks feel weird to me. You can either learn to do a thing on your own, or you can learn to do a thing with extra help - but the extra help doesn't actually make you any better at...

This is why comparing magic item shops to jewelry stores or banks doesn't really work for me. A magic item shop, at least one of the sort that PCs would want to use, isn't just a collection of extremely expensive things, it's a collection of extremely expensive things used for fighting, and we...

Silly, right? Now if they read a book, or went to church, or sang a song, then gaining magic powers would make sense.

Seriously, where does the assumption that paladins don't work as hard as any other class come from? They don't gain levels any faster.

Why shouldn't paladins be able to get magic power from nowhere by training? Wizards and bards do it, and those flighty jerks don't even swear an oath.

Thank you to everyone who's responding to this silly idea I got in my head. I'm starting to think that my ideal D&D would have three full-casting classes: one for intelligence, one for wisdom, and one for charisma. The question of where the magic actually came from would be left to subclasses...

It's funny, intelligence is the mental stat with the least to do with willpower, mechanically. The class you're describing sounds more like a charisma caster, or a wisdom caster.

Right, but where does the force come from? Is it a world where only people with a special spark of magic can be wizards, and they generate their own force? Or is everyone magical enough to generate their own force if they know how to, and the druid thinks it's impolite to the plant to do so...

This is exactly why I think the magic classes in D&D don't all play nicely with each other. Conceptually, who wants to play "I'm a wizard, but not as good?"

So when a wizard casts the same spell, what's entangling the plants for him? It's still not him personally manipulating them, he still can't do it without casting a spell to invoke some kind of energy that isn't in his body.

This isn't the first time this distinction has come up, and I have to admit I still don't get it. In what way is a druid's power source more external than that of a wizard or an alchemist? Is it just the ability score they cast with?

I find it easiest to retcon more work going into it on the character's part. The player may have just decided last week to take a wizard level, but the PC has been tinkering, practicing, experimenting, etc. for a long time. This is just the first time they've gotten anything practically useful...

They're cleric-like in the way they use magic, but the key difference, for this, is that they don't need the favor or approval of a god. Nature is like the Weave of Magic(tm), or the... song-force? However 5E bards cast spells. The point is that it's there for anyone, if they approach it the...

I was reading the "One thing I hate about the Sorcerer" thread (https://www.enworld.org/threads/one-thing-i-hate-about-the-sorcerer.703338/), and it gave me a moment of realization. I don't know how useful, boring, or obvious it will be to anyone else, but I wanted to write it down anyway. So...

Their official rogue diploma, of course. They didn't spend four years at Thieves' Guild University to be called a crook or a mugger, thank you very much.

When most NPCs are built using the same rules as PCs, an NPC who has whatever abilities they need to have feels powerful and mysterious. "Uh-oh, this guy is special somehow! This is Serious Business!" When most NPCs are bespoke stat blocks with only the abilities they need for a single...

This conversation is really making me want to create a low-charisma character with no social skills. Who talks. A lot.