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I understand the overt/covert distinction that is being presented, unfortunately it is illusory. Changing a monster's hit points, fudging a die roll, adding more monsters to fight, having some run away, they are all the same thing, but that sameness is being lost in the all too common practice...

Actually it does, from a rules standpoint. Besides, as discussed above "fudge" is not always a synonym for "cheat". Given that DMs are allowed to fudge it can in no way be regarded as cheating. Oh for goodness sake. They don't say it's unfair or that it ruins the danger of the game. It...

No, they don't, and I suspect you know that but are just trying to be difficult now. The word fudge has many, many, many different meanings. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fudge I won't post all that here, just look at if you're even remotely interested in actually having a...

That is true, but that's not what fudging does. It also doesn't matter how many times you say it does either, repetition doesn't make a false statement become reality... Okay, I get that you can't understand that there are people that play the game differently than you do yet are doing nothing...

No, it doesn't. Sometimes it actually validates the choices made, provided they were good ones... The two are exactly the same. In both cases you are, on the fly, adding or subtracting from the world that was previously created. This point is so obvious that I am beginning to think some of...

I must be misunderstanding here. You're saying changing a monsters hit points is cheating, but having more monsters simply show up is perfectly valid? Either something is being lost in the translation or I've entered some sort of Bizarro world. Further explanation is required. :)

Thank you for this. Admittedly I played with the idea of presenting my players with such a moral dilemma, but something in the back of my mind kept telling me not to. You have perfectly articulated what my subconscious was warning me from doing, which is playing the players, not the...

If WotC should be so lucky. While it could be argued that the Evil Scare of the eighties didn't help sales, it cannot be argued that sales went insane at the very same time. The added publicity usually helps more than it hurts...

If WotC should be so lucky. While it could be argued that the Evil Scare of the eighties didn't help sales, it cannot be argued that sales went insane at the very same time. The added publicity usually helps more than it hurts...

I just remembered one of the original instances from over 30 years ago that made me start to question how much power I, as the DM, should exert over the game mechanics and dice. We had a system for determining the severity of a fumble (natural 1) whereby the player would roll another d20. We...

I think there's been a major miscommunication in this thread. While I certainly can't speak for all on the "pro fudge" side, it has always been my experience that fudging is not synonymous with lying. I don't want to assossiate with people that willfully and maliciously lie, and I doubt many...

I may have missed something, but I thought this discussion was about the DM changing his own rolls for the benefit of the story and enjoyment of all. The example you just gave has nothing to do with the discussion as far as I understand it.

Couple of very quick points. If I make something up now and it turns out in a couple of weeks to have been the wrong thing to do (too strong a monster or whatever) killing the entire party because that's the world I made up is just silly, to me, though in a weird way I respect your choices...

E Yeah, I see what you're saying, but wouldn't that require a lot of random generation of encounters/dungeons/whatever? I can see how if there is an agreement by all concerned to play through a given adventure module as written or all random encounters then the DM's role is definitely reduced...

I really think the fellow needs to be spoken to about what he's actually proposing. Over and over in my life I've seen people do evil acts with no actual evil intent, they just hadn't thought it through or were blinded by culture. If this player understands that he's proposing rape, has...

I completely agree, but I think this exemplifies why this discussion has gone on as long as it has. Some people play D&D as though the DM is playing a game, so in their mind fudging is cheating. Others, like me, see the role of the DM as author/storyteller/director and there's nothing he can...