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Wow, that’s a cool site concept! Though it’s a bit bare bones right now, but still interesting. I hadn’t heard of it. Maybe someone could build a better / more complete version of this…

That is true of the class system in general, not specific to multi-classing itself. Even if you create a brand new ninja class, it is likely that most players will opine that some of the baggage it contains does not neatly fit the theme they envisioned for their character. If the class system...

I think it’s very interesting, and I’m looking forward to seeing the final version coming out, if/when it does. Sorcerer spells keyed off of Wisdom, even at 1/3rd casting progression, will open up a lot of interesting build options. The EK-like class features are also good to have.

Totally agree. Those backgrounds are very fine ways to build a ninja, along with any regular class or multi-class on top. Yep, totally fine too! 🤝 You could, absolutely. I don’t think it’s necessary, but you certainly could. A Shadow Monk / Rogue multi-class could be a terrific ninja...

We are starting to beat dead horses, so I don’t think we’ll end up convincing one another either way… but I am surprised to read these posts (not just from you, others as well). It’s as if we’re not reading from the same rules book… The Monk and the Wizard classes, in a few numbers… - Core...

I am in the camp of "ninjas should be a background". To me, classes are a set of related game mechanics, e.g., weapons, or martial arts, or stealth/infiltration/deception, or arcane magic, etc… as far as historical ninjas go, they are a mix of the first three, and if we throw in folklore, they...

For sure it’s a judgment call, and to each their own… But I’m not trying to say build complexity outweighs round-to-round complexity. I’m just trying to relate my own empirical evidence of actually teaching the game to two players whose first classes they’ve ever played were Monk and Wizard...

I don’t know… I’ve recently initiated a couple of new players to the game. One got a Monk, the other a Wizard. Both started at level 1. The Monk player has a vastly easier time. Maybe the action economy has slightly more options with the Monk, given that the Bonus Action can serve for...

Big +1. Creating a class, even with several subclasses, is a pigeon-holing endeavor. Ninjas have such diverse skillset that it’s really hard to pin them down into the straightjacket of a class, unless that class is Wizard and you have a ton of spells to choose from. Most other classes lack the...

I don’t mean to say that it’s absolutely implausible to find a way to make the backgrounds fit. I can improvise and spitball some connecting dots as much as the next fellow. My point is rather that most of the basic backgrounds are not that inspiring. Like, if I look at the 2e edition kits, a...

But like… do denizens of the Underdark farm at all? Maybe they farm mushrooms, but typically most agriculture requires daylight. Most of the Underdark races either have the magical ability to produce light but are sensitive to it, or aren’t really into magic. So I thought the species living...

I find them too restrictive, and often don’t give a flavor I want for my characters. Like, why is it that the background that mechanically best fits a Dwarven Cleric is the Farmer? No way, my Dwarf is not going to be a farmer. (No offense to farming, it’s a great profession, but I just don’t...

Reminds me of 3e’s most powerful Prestige Class, the Telflammar Shadowlord, which had the ability to do a Full Attack after any teleport. Then the builds involved basically teleporting as many times as possible, including via the Standard Action, Move Action and Swift Action 😂 … there was even...

Backgrounds, feats, spells and magic items would be perfect to enrich a ninja-themed campaign. I would say it should be a design goal to avoid at all costs adding classes or subclasses. Every single class can be a ninja.

I agree with the sentiment that it should be a background (or several, maybe one per clan or region). Dex/Wis/Cha is fine, but I would also consider throwing in Con instead of any of those. "Ninpo Ikkan" which roughly translates to "keep going" or "keep playing" is a ninja maxim, capturing their...

Wow, and Monks are high complexity?! That may be the most ridiculous assertion I've ever heard :ROFLMAO: ... The Monk has literally not a single build choice to make, besides picking a subclass, and none of the subclasses carry any choice either. You pick a Monk, and then everything else is...

Wow, really? Where is that complexity chart? Never heard of it (and quite surprised to hear the relative ranking!)

I agree that simplicity is attractive. But I don't see anything wrong with simplicity carrying a cost. In the above proposal, the generic counter spell is still there, and you can skip ahead to that directly if you don't want to bother doing the specific counter (maybe you don't even take...

Ok, here’s an idea for starting to chip away at the classes in this build… Replace Sorc 7 by Sorc 4 (any subclass) + Evoker 3, for Potent Cantrip. Now half of the CME-enhanced Eldritch Blast damage still gets through even on a missed attack 😳 ? Everything else works as is. Still not abusing...

What did you not like about 3.5 skills? You can, via the Skilled feat, and some classes or subclasses grant skills here and there as part of class abilities beyond level 1. But I agree that it’s pretty limited. Burning a feat on Skilled feels like a waste of a resource that’s already too...