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I know "balance" is not a huge issue with Shadowdark, but even so: has anyone done the math and/or broken down the examples so that we have a sense of what the capabilities of and numbers are across levels for SD classes? Even if loose, it would help with my project.

Ok. I definitely feel like I am being trolled now, or maybe I accidentally slipped into a parallel universe where words have different meanings.

And the contemporary fantasy connection?

i am struggling to understand how Barsoom is "contemporary fantasy." It would work for portal fantasy, of course, but...

That is harder in a D&D setting, I think.

Just a place holdr since I need to run: I am working up a tiered career system as an alternate leveling system in Shadowdark (vaguely inspired by WHFRP and SotDL) and am curious what folks would include in the Ratcatcher to Bounty Hunter type career chains for the major class categories.

I think that is why most contemporary fantasy leans into either a secret world, or one that is isolated from most of society. Full integration of high magic throughout human history demands acknowledgement in historical events.

Right, but that wasn't was was posited in the post I quoted. For example, Bright makes no sense with orcs and elves and dragons, but history is essentially the same (as far as we know).

Blocking people isn't the problem -- it is the 2 way ignore.

You, friend, are a saint.

The only one of those I would question is the "points of light" element. That seems counter to a contemporary setting where we tend to think of the world as connected and explored -- not to mention modern travel not really supporting the kind of exploration in play that PoL is meant to.support...

It sounds like you are trying to.do steampunk.

Again, I don't think we should overthink firearms. It isn't like D&D has these realistic, precise damage rules to start with. Who cares if in your contemporary fantasy a gun does the same damage as a sword?

The lethality of firearms is not a function of genre,it is a function of tone. Firearms don't have to be any more lethal than swords are in D&D to make sense within the action adventure tropes that drive the game.

The artificer is not a 5.5E core class, so I left it out.

Sure, but just like with supers settings, the tropes ad constraints of the genre over rule any "logical conclusions". Otherwise, like you said, you aren't in that genre anymore.

I was just suggesting that maybe arguing with the premise is not the best use of the thread.

Some people would say Spelljammer is not D&D.

Advanced technology looking like magic doesn't have anything to do with actual magic. How does, for example, effective vodoun necessitate sci-fi elements?

For a relatively generic or typical Contemporary fantasy/Urban Fantasy type setting, what do you think would be among the necessary subclasses? Barbarian: maybe a pit or cage fighter type? Or, in a lot of settings, maybe barbarian is where you put playable lycanthropy? Bard: rocker, for sure...