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Basically at the extremes it's less valuable. If you need a 20 to hit, rolling an extra die for advantage doesn't make you much more likely to succeed. If you need a 2 to hit, advantage provides a huge bonus, but you were going to succeed 95% of the time anyway, so it's not that helpful.

Some can take the enemy completely out of the fight. Suggestion for example. That's neither DPR, nor eHP. It's elimination with a single spell, while doing no damage.

Um, no. :P Note that I said SOME control spells are ALSO DPR. That leave the rest of those "some" spells as not DPR, as well as those control spells that have no DPR. Control abilities are similar. ;) What's more, the healing aspect changes the DPR to the fighter/bard and takes it away from...

Some of those are incomplete. Control is often going to be DPR, because the type of control also allows others hit more accurately and/or crit automatically, allowing greater DPR to occur. In those situations, it also becomes future enemy turns removed. Healing, which increases eHP also...

As a complete tangent, I've always disliked that phrase. How does it help God for you to seek treatment? It doesn't.

DPR analysis won't let you design the game, though. It will only let you design other damage dealing affects. The game is far more than damage. For example, your DPR analysis won't be helpful to a DM wanting to design a non-damage dealing spell of 3rd level.

If you're counter argument relies on, "but you might get one of the rare bad DMs," it's an extremely weak counter. Bad DMs are bad across the board, not just with social. Social builds are in fact much better in this case, since it will very quickly reveal to you and the other players if you...

No it's not. It is in fact class based power. It's just versatility, a different type of power than pure combat. No, it's not "up to a point." Which is better, damage or versatility, is purely subjective.

In your personal opinion. Not as any sort of objective measure. Which versatility options are best is subjective.

If that's your argument, combat is also ultimately, "roll high = win." Roll high = win isn't a good argument to counter anything I'm saying as it applies to your arguments as well. This is very campaign dependent. Nah. I can just as easily go, "The dragon eats you" as I can go, "Yeah that's...

In a white room, sure. As you say, there are too many variables, which makes it impossible to accurately rate for actual game play.

There are social/exploration spells and abilities as well. And there are rules for traps, hazards, and such that are part of exploration. It's not entirely roll high = good. The same kind of DM who would just arbitrarily shut down social situations will do the same to combat by fudging to...

Versatility is also power. It's just a different kind of power.

In some areas, but it makes up for a lot of that with fighter 3 abilities that bards do not get. You're still looking at it through the lens of the optimizer, and the game doesn't need anywhere near the level of optimization you go for in order for characters to be good in combat, socializing...

I don't agree. They tend to look for the absolute best thing for combat, and then poo poo on everything less than the best, even when it's still very good. An optimizer/power gamer is the last person I would listen to for combat or anything else. I'm not interested in only the best thing...

It will outperform the barbarian 6, because combat is not the only pillar. The barbarian gets to be better in combat, but loses out to the fighter 3/bard 3 in exploration and social. Your "objectively" bad in terms of mechanics is wrong, unless you are ONLY looking at DPR. Social not only...

Yes. If resources are being used, there's no reason to assume that non-damage, combat affecting spells will not be used.

A DPR only comparison. Most of the time it's not going to be useful, since the majority of the time where nobody will want to use resources will be when the fight is won and it's just the last bit of monster clean-up. DPR doesn't matter then. The fight is already won.

Only if you are a power gamer and every +1 matters to you. Otherwise it's a very good, versatile PC. I see you post a lot about the best class, ability, spell, etc. to use. You're into optimization/power gaming, so the fighter/bard seems bad to you when it really isn't.

I don't see any real point to that. It will be rare that everyone in the group won't want to do anything but swing weapons. Mostly during monster clean-up where DPR doesn't matter anyway.