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but.... Ok but you're assuming that combat considerations are the only ways to differentiate these two archetypes. In my opinion, thats simply not true; things that each of these characters will encounter aside from combat can also reveal differences. The checks and saves you...

Bargle's Barony.... Wasn't the Barony Bargle hailed something like, Black Eagle Barony ? And wasn't he known as Bargle the Infamous? I remember crossing a character crossing paths with Bargle at some point in a ADnD 2nd ed. game set in Mystara I think, but I don't recall many details as...

minor threadjack (sorry) AEG magic book? In addition to the toolbox, didn't AEG produce a "magic" book for D20, with lots of spells and options for magical stuff? Has anyone perused or used that book, and if so, is it worthwhile? What, in general, is in it? Just spells? alternate magic...

Voneth, only 7 spells? Voneth, Sorcery in M&M sounds like a nifty option....the one problem I see at this point as in your description, it sounds like a sorceror can only ever "know" 7 spells. In my home-brew fantasy setting that I hope to use, I had envisioned powerful journey-men mages who...

powers, etc. Ok, with the powers...while I haven't seen the book just yet, my hunch is that I will be culling the powers list to remove most of the "supers" powers/feel. My group prefers more of a traditional sword and sorcery type of game, so I'm thinking that might take some work to reflect...

cool! Thanks for the replies guys...I have also in the interim visited the green ronin forums, and I have found several useful posts there regarding adapting M&M to a fantasy game. With those suggestions/house rules/etc. plus what you guys have posted, I'm pretty excited about trying out M&M...

Folks, I have an interest in a streamlined version of the D20 system for use in various genre's, such as fantasy, espionage, cyberpunk, etc. Right now, my focus is primarily on DnD esque fantasy. My regular gaming group is quite large, and I've found the DnD 3E incarnation to be pretty...

heh....all I can think of. In reading this thread, with the *cough* veiled *cough* references to ninjas all over the place, all I can think of is a headline from the onion I read some time ago... Disgruntled Ninja slays co-workers. Film at 11.

Re: Re: my pick... A good while = 1 4.5hr session per week, for about 14 months. We took weeks off for holidays. I don't make up how things work on the fly. In BESM, players all create their own spells, buying them with magic points (like making a character with character points)...they...

bleh...*how* should a ranger be played then? Certainly one of the biggest defenses I see used in favor of the PHB ranger is that players who find the ranger lacking do so because they (aren't playing/don't know how to play) the ranger properly. It has also been my experience that posters who...

my pick... If I had to pick 1... Big Eyes, Small Mouth, revised 2nd edition. I would use the BESM fantasy beastiery, the Demon City Shinjoku book for extras, and mabye BESM dungeon or Uresia when those are released. In fact, thats exactly what I'm running now. =) Other choices I might...

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my thoughts...in question form... Ok, if we look at this as purely a comparison of systems, and we for the sake of that don't limit ourselves to a DnD/Fantasy like setting; Consider the following character "concepts" - basically the RolePlay background/descriptions of characters that we wish...

d20 "light" good points all but... Ok, ColH...between your notes about the figher/feats and combat system, and wsmith pointing out how AoO's are tied closely with several feats etc....I think I'm finally ready to give up on any sort of D20 light version or whatever you want to call it...

2 issues to tug at here... I believe that WSmith has just about hit one thing on the head; a Basic, or "light" or more streamlined version of the 3E (d20?) mechanics could be derived to the following effect: Keep most of the excellent character options, consistent/intuitive mechanics, and...

D20 light... Ok, you are taking a *very* different approach. What I would envision as a D20 light system would not include limiting levels, fewer classes/spells/skills/feats/races etc. Instead, I'd be more interested in actually simplifying the game mechanics....i.e. change/remove AoO's...

oops forgot 2nd thought. My second idea is more of a question...has anyone thought about putting together sort of a 3E-light or D20-light? sort of a simplified house-rule version of the system? I'd be really interested if anyone has done/knows of something like this... Thanks,

two ideas...CR based stuff and d20 light? Ok first of all, I had given some thought to this previously, but I'd like your thoughts on the matter before I go to far with it on my own... Has anyone considered developing a system where NPC details could be benchmarked against their CR, or an...

what I envision... When I think of a twf. character, I always seem to come back to the same image...a ranger (or maybe rogue) who is for lack of a better way to describe, from an eastern themed culture...nomadic desert and thick woodlands type. This ranger would be fairly lightly armored (best...