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Which is why I specified older stories. The Greek gods or Norse Gods were very different in the various phases of their mythology.

Oracles didn't repeat what the gods told them to repeat. The gods controlled the oracles because access to them was power and money. The oracles simply were able to pick up on bits and pieces of fate and rulers and other powerful people paid to get that information.

in the older greek myths and in the norse myths they don't change them for gods either. In fact in both the older versions Zues and Odin were scared of them. Also the primal powers of the Universe like Night, Oceanus and others and in norse the king of the ocean and other gods where more...

as I said LIke 1e. but now they do go to 9.......

It also assumes the diety doesnt have people for that stuff. I personally like the old 1ed way of it. 1 to 3rd are prayer books. Any cleric can memorize from prayer books. 4 to 7th lower level to higher level followers of the dirty , administrative Angels etc. 8th and 9th level the diety has...

THats one interpretation. It could also be they are just Greek style really powerful beings who aside from their power aren't much different than the humans who worship them. No one size fits all answers on this one.

Since it's an Internet thread and we are talking generalities it often goes both ways. It could be wrong to not talk to the GM and try to fix it first. It could also be right to simply go. The details matter. And discussions like this are at 100 miles up making many assumptions about what the...

I'm a bit confused by the original question. Monsters and NPC's are there to be used to help drive the story. Good ones for good threads in the story,evil ones for evil threads in the story. Sometimes either for neutral or simply non important ones in the story. Why do we need lists of what...

Wouldn't that depend on the deity. They aren't all the same are they?

but as an addendum to the post you were disagreeing on. I do think it would help a lot if WOTC would add sections for gods and Patrons on what they expect from the various orders of their worshippers. Gods in the D&D aren't all powerful or all knowing so it could be one gods definition of what...

Alignment is an Ideology. You'll never stop people arguing over whether it s right. Whether it's done right or whether paladins and clerics and other worshippers should suffer consequences.

If your gods are typical mythological gods who don't know everything an augury could be wrong even if the rolls are good.

I think the thing we miss a lot talking about bad DM's is a significant percentage of them are new DM's just trying to hold the game together while they figure it out. I don't have any numbers but I bet that 9 percent one would be well below 1/2 that if you take those guys who are just...

about 40 bucks a book. I can afford more but that's my limit unless it just Freaking WOWS me. Otherwise, I'll get a Humble bundle or we'll share a book at the table. I'm well aware that the books I mowed lawns for in 1975 at 20 bucks each may have been more expensive in real dollars back...

I feel obligated to point out not all characters are good and not all parties are good. Though I agree they are the vast majority.

Self correcting is a trait of self awareness and use of intelligence guided by wisdom. Not an alignment trait. Libertarians embrace chaos. They think people will adjust and it will all be ok without rules. Self correcting for your mistakes or to change how you do things to obtain goals is...

One: it provides a framework for god's followers in a system where the gods are directly interacting and giving specific advise and guidance on how to behave. Two: at it's heart the game is structured around conflict it helps a new GM to divide things into groups to help them decide who will...

problem is it leaves the realm of impulse purchase now. Id love to see the number of people that buy one or two but not all three of the quarterly softcovers. I'll be interested to see if they increase profits or not taking out the cheaper option for someone that may only be interested in...

I've never met more than a few of those DM's over the years. They exist but I don't think they are more than a percent or two of the DM population. DM's terrified to stretch the envelope because they've seen other great DM's are far more prevalant IME.

Just killing the weaker damage dealing, generally less important NPC's l, is the definition of clean up crew. Kill the small ones so melee can have the heroic moment with the big ones. Meshes perfectly with the PF2 design focus of all non melee's just being support for melee.