2006 WotC D&D Product Survivor - Round 7

[Jedi_Solo]

Be nice to the last of the Fantastic Locations products.

It must feel lonely - send it to meet its siblings.

 

[SteveC]

I'm amazed PHB2 is still there, given all the hate it's have.

I think the hatred for the PHB2 is greatly overrated: there are a few posters who really dislike the book, but on the whole it has been one of the best received books WotC has put out in the last two years.

Really good stuff (IMHO).

--Steve

 

[Glyfair]

No one speaking out against dragon magic? mediocre niche book that it was.

I think it's made a medium showing since close to the beginning. It just hasn't gotten a crowd push behind it yet (unlike the Fantastic Locations series, that look to be gone after this round).

 

[Psion]

I think the hatred for the PHB2 is greatly overrated: there are a few posters who really dislike the book, but on the whole it has been one of the best received books WotC has put out in the last two years.

Like I said earlier, I actually think it's a pretty good book. Except the classes.

But that's enough. Of all the products on the list I own, it is the one that causes me the most heartburn. I could use it for my own purposes just fine and ignore the classes. But I DM more than I play, and so far I have had to deal with multiple players practically begging to play classes from the book.

 

[Glyfair]

...and so far I have had to deal with multiple players practically begging to play classes from the book.

Hmmmm...players begging to play classes from the book. Could be just me, but isn't that the sort of thing that should be considered good about a book? (Unless, of course, they are all the sort of players who always try to play the unbalanced, powerful tripe).

It's interesting that Faiths of Eberron is fighting with Dragon Magic to be voted off, but I've seen no complaints about it at all in this thread (not even a straight "it sucks").

 

[Psion]

Hmmmm...players begging to play classes from the book. Could be just me, but isn't that the sort of thing that should be considered good about a book?

From a DM perspective, if the DM doesn't want the classes in his game, no.

For two of the classes requested, the situation they were in was very much less than optimal (beguilers in an undead heavy dungeon crawl? Not so good.) But players want to play them because they are shiny.

I even think, after a little analysis, the knight is actually not a very good class.

 

[Shade]

It's interesting that Faiths of Eberron is fighting with Dragon Magic to be voted off, but I've seen no complaints about it at all in this thread (not even a straight "it sucks").

Possibly the fact that it's a book on faiths in a world that claims to lack deities?

 

[Glyfair]

From a DM perspective, if the DM doesn't want the classes in his game, no.

I still don't see how that makes it a bad book. DM doesn't want new classes in him game & the players do. There is a conflict, so the book is bad?

My players want to play in Ptolus, but I don't want to use it. Does that mean Ptolus is bad?

I even think, after a little analysis, the knight is actually not a very good class.

I don't particularly like it myself. I do, however, like all the others (the Dragon Shaman being a borderline like, but it fits well in my Eberron game).

 

[Psion]

I still don't see how that makes it a bad book. DM doesn't want new classes in him game & the players do.

I'm not here to vote for my players. I am here to represent my view. My view is the classes are bad. They are a mix of trashy, inexplicible flavor (dragon shaman), redundant with existing options yet less flexible (duskblade), make existing character choices obsolete (beguiler), and/or arguably weak (knight).

That players latch on to these classes makes it doubly bad, because players are being marketed classes that I do not like and I'm too dang nice for my own good, so they'll probably end up in my game anyways. That makes it doubly a thorn in my side.

If you feel different, feel free to vote differently.

 

[Arnwyn]

It's interesting that Faiths of Eberron is fighting with Dragon Magic to be voted off, but I've seen no complaints about it at all in this thread (not even a straight "it sucks").

Yeah, I thought that was a little darky-horsey...

Especially when Scourge is still in there.