D&D 5E 2022 WoTC Books?

[darjr]

this does not infer that we will be getting a setting book for it only that we are now getting a fiction book.

Yup, I can hope?

 

[Burnside]

If WotC was doing something with Dragonlance in 2022, we’d have seen UA related to it by now.

 

[bedir than]

If WotC was doing something with Dragonlance in 2022, we’d have seen UA related to it by now.

UA are only 2-4 months out. So there could still be UA for potential Dragonlance as late as September.

 

[Azzy]

I don't know much about Nic Kelman other than he works for WotC's magic team, was the liaison on this deal, and wrote a book a long time ago that's either in genre with Nabokov's Lolita, as trying to get inside the mind of the monsters (per some reviews I pulled up just now), or else is really, really, REALLY bad erotica.

But that's what that is… fiction. Did Nic Kelman actually do any bad things?

I really wish I could take such a blase look at the book as "REALLY bad erotica", but the book reeks of ephebophilia-apolgia couched in fiction. One defense that Kelman uses is: "Technically, all the girls in the book are legal. They are young women, they are not children. Many of them are precociously sexual and some of them are predatory, too. No one comes out of the book that well.' Sure thing, Nic.

There's a wide gulf between writing fiction and doing things. I do think that if that book was intentionally written as an expression of his world view and fantasies that that could mean that he brought that into his editorial work with the Dragonlance writers in such a way that hurt their work or made them uncomfortable, but this is all speculation. I'm not defending him or WotC, nor do I desire to equivocate or create a false sense of "both sides" - just that these things are complicated and speculation based on our limited information usually leads to demonisation of the other REALLY REALLY fast.

And then that leads to thread-crapping. So let's not use buzz words like the above UNLESS the guy is actually a criminal, right? Maybe I missed it in my puruse of googling him just now. It's quite possible. But if not, then maybe lets pull back on the speculation re: why the deal got on shaky ground?

Especially when this thread is literally about something almost completely unrelated: what D&D sourcebooks we're getting from WotC in 2022. Dragonlance novels are not sourcebooks. They may imply that we get a Dragonlance source book or not as tie-in. But we're getting the novels after all in the end. So really, that tangent is just the fast-lane towards shutting down the thread for no good reason.

Sure, sure, I'm guilty of using hyperbolic shorthand for the ephebophilia-apolgist whose book is extremely distasteful. However, that doesn't dismiss my retort to Paul—which, I will repeat, that according to W&H's legal complaint, everything was progressing swimmingly until WotC replaced their liason with Kelman.

 

[Parmandur]

UA are only 2-4 months out. So there could still be UA for potential Dragonlance as late as September.

Well, there's a bit more lead up time than that...for Class options. Races, yeah, 2-8 months historically.

 

[Parmandur]

I'm also not sure if there'll be a MTG based one, as the MTG sets we know of don't seem as D&D-able as previous.

2022 is the 30th Anniverof Magic, and they have two of their four main Sets in Dominaria, which was for a long time the only Magic Setting...the world based on the D&D games of the founders of Wizards of the Coast. Very D&D friendly, nostalgia, open enough to allow the writers to make a very modern take on D&D...seems to make good business sense to me.

And Kamigawa brings some cool ideas with magic cyberpunk.

 

[Reynard]

Nah, one is going to be Dragonlance. Gotta synergize with the novel's release.

Unless it is a trilogy that resets Krynn via timey-wimey shenanigans, in which case it makes more sense for DL to come out after the books are complete.

 

[Mecheon]

2022 is the 30th Anniverof Magic, and they have two of their four main Sets in Dominaria, which was for a long time the only Magic Setting...the world based on the D&D games of the founders of Wizards of the Coast. Very D&D friendly, nostalgia, open enough to allow the writers to make a very modern take on D&D...seems to make good business sense to me.

While its certainly good on that side, the thing is I'm unsure on the basis that the MTG settings we've had thus far are very distinctive as their own thing. Theros is unmistakably different from anything in D&D, same with Strixhaven, and while Ravnica isn't too different, it does hold it in its own ways. I'm unsure if they'd be able to get that much of "Distinct from stock D&D" with Dominaria compared to those. I'm not sure if they'd be willing to blur the lines that much

Kamigawa also runs it into being a bit more of a modern thing which, would certainly be an interesting way to get across that vaguely modern D&D stuff, but I'm equally unsure on that one

 

[Parmandur]

While its certainly good on that side, the thing is I'm unsure on the basis that the MTG settings we've had thus far are very distinctive as their own thing. Theros is unmistakably different from anything in D&D, same with Strixhaven, and while Ravnica isn't too different, it does hold it in its own ways. I'm unsure if they'd be able to get that much of "Distinct from stock D&D" with Dominaria compared to those. I'm not sure if they'd be willing to blur the lines that much

Kamigawa also runs it into being a bit more of a modern thing which, would certainly be an interesting way to get across that vaguely modern D&D stuff, but I'm equally unsure on that one

I'd honestly say that Ravnica is the most distinct of the three which we have so far. Though I think what you point out about Kamigawa being very different is a point in it's favor: it is "cyberpunk" the same way that Eberron is, because everything runs on magic.

We have 2 Classic Settings coming in 2022, and one appears to be Spelljammer. If the other one is Dark Sun or Planescape, which seems plausible, Dominaria as a more "standard" Setting with a strong product hook seems to fit.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

I'd honestly say that Ravnica is the most distinct of the three which we have so far. Though I think what you point out about Kamigawa being very different is a point in it's favor: it is "cyberpunk" the same way that Eberron is, because everything runs on magic.

We have 2 Classic Settings coming in 2022, and one appears to be Spelljammer. If the other one is Dark Sun or Planescape, which seems plausible, Dominaria as a more "standard" Setting with a strong product hook seems to fit.

I find new Kamigawa more interesting then Dominaria (although maybe Brother's War set will change my mind), but I think you right if they sneak a MtG setting in it will Dominaria, it just has the bigger market/fan base and it's just too core to the MtG setting and identity not to do.

I am curious what kind of fiction the Brother's War set will have given it is a card set for a story that has already been told (in a novel by FR's own Jeff Grubbs that I hear is one of the best in MtG history), unlike all the rest of the sets with a particular setting next year. Maybe they will do some fiction for Unfinity and Battle For Baldur's Gate or extra fiction for Dominaria United instead.