D&D 5E (2024) 2025 Monster Manual All You Need to Know video link is up.

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Goblins and gnolls are both humanoids in Monster Vault, incidentally. It's a very good book that would work extremely well with existing 5E campaigns.

 

[Veltharis ap Rylix]

I think it is OK to say Eberron gnolls and goblins and just about anything else are different. I mean isn't the kind of the point of settings?

In theory, sure.

Just saying that it's giving me 4e "Succubi are devils now" vibes, where they make a sweeping change to the baseline lore of a creature and then have to spend the rest of the edition bending over backwards to explain that "Succubi in the Forgotten Realms WERE demons in the past, which is why the pre-4e lore is still valid, but they're devils NOW because they switched sides" and "Sure, Graz'zt and Malcanthet are still demon lords despite our blanket statement that all sexy demons are devils now, but that's because they USED to be devils in the ancient past and rebelled".

 

[dave2008]

In theory, sure.

Just saying that it's giving me 4e "Succubi are devils now" vibes, where they make a sweeping change to the baseline lore of a creature and then have spend the rest of the edition bending over backwards to explain that "Succubi in the Forgotten Realms WERE demons in the past, which is why the pre-4e lore is still valid, but they're devils NOW because they switched sides" and "Sure, Graz'zt and Malcanthet are still demon lords despite our blanket statement that all sexy demons are devils now, but that's because they USED to be devils in the ancient past and rebelled".

I am fine with making a change and never explain it. Leave it to the DMs to decided if they like it or not.

 

[JEB]

In theory, sure.

Just saying that it's giving me 4e "Succubi are devils now" vibes, where they make a sweeping change to the baseline lore of a creature and then have spend the rest of the edition bending over backwards to explain that "Succubi in the Forgotten Realms WERE demons in the past, which is why the pre-4e lore is still valid, but they're devils NOW because they switched sides" and "Sure, Graz'zt and Malcanthet are still demon lords despite our blanket statement that all sexy demons are devils now, but that's because they USED to be devils in the ancient past and rebelled".

I don't think we have to worry about them explaining such differences this time around. Official policy now is that different editions each have their own distinct lore. So as of 2024, gnolls were always fiends, and goblins were always fey. If we see a 2024 Eberron book (and I think we're likely to, considering the artificer playtest) they won't likely even bring it up.

 

[dave2008]

I don't think we have to worry about them explaining such differences this time around. Official policy now is that different editions each have their own distinct lore. So as of 2024, gnolls were always fiends, and goblins were always fey. If we see a 2024 Eberron book (and I think we're likely to, considering the artificer playtest) they won't likely even bring it up.

I agree (except for the part about a new Eberron book).

 

[Chaltab]

Considering that with 5E they managed to completely forget that Zariel had two previous stints as Archduchess of Avernus and retconned her fall to being recent history I'm just largely ignoring contradictory lore and using whatever I like.

 

[dave2008]

Considering that with 5E they managed to completely forget that Zariel had two previous stints as Archduchess of Avernus and retconned her fall to being recent history I'm just largely ignoring contradictory lore and using whatever I like.

That is, IMO, always the best policy. I've been doing that ever since I realized the lore in the BECMI line as different from the AD&D line.

 

[Veltharis ap Rylix]

Considering that with 5E they managed to completely forget that Zariel had two previous stints as Archduchess of Avernus and retconned her fall to being recent history I'm just largely ignoring contradictory lore and using whatever I like.

To be sure, I do the same - I'm a massive Planescape fan with a particular interest in the Nine Hells/Baator, a planar region that has major aspects of its lore upended and/or thrown out with pretty much every edition change. Gestures at the Dark Eight.

Just saying that when those lore changes get hard coded into the mechanics of the game, it becomes more work to work around. If goblins are now fey, are they going to start getting some type of fey magical ability baked into their statblocks from here on?

 

[dave2008]

To be sure, I do the same - I'm a massive Planescape fan with a particular interest in the Nine Hells/Baator, a planar region that has major aspects of its lore upended and/or thrown out with pretty much every edition change. Gestures at the Dark Eight.

Just saying that when those lore changes get hard coded into the mechanics of the game, it becomes more work to work around. If goblins are now fey, are they going to start getting some type of fey magical ability baked into their statblocks from here on?

No, it just means they are not affected by Charm Person, you need Charm Monster.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Gnolls have been fiends since Volo's guide to monsters IIRC.