D&D 3E/3.5 [3.5] Rapier & Scimitar

[Darklone]

You know hong, that's one of the reasons why I like extensive multiclassing and medium power campaigns. It keeps players from having strong 15 minutes per evening, even if they have to wait for the others the rest of the gametime. D&D strongly enhances the "15min spotlight gaming", I rather like to have most of the players at least being able to act.

 

[Sanackranib]

On a purely personal level, I would thwack any player who told me they were fighting with a rapier two-handedly, and then I would institute an immediate houserule to prevent such an abomination in the future. That's the silliest D&D image I've heard in a long time.
Rapiers are finesse weapons, the province of swashbucklers and dandies, deadly little needles. When you reduce them to 1d6/18-20/x2, that's pretty sad, IMO.
Daniel

While its true that the Rapier is a finess weapon there are enough instances in Americian Cinima of the frustrated bad guy using his rapier in 2 hands that I would allow it to be used in this way. However I would not allow weapon finess to be applied due to the "Uglyness Factor"

 

[Darklone]

While its true that the Rapier is a finess weapon there are enough instances in Americian Cinima of the frustrated bad guy using his rapier in 2 hands that I would allow it to be used in this way. However I would not allow weapon finess to be applied due to the "Uglyness Factor"

I don't like "Americian Cinima" in my games. Especially not concerning swordfights. Light wooden sticks or aluminium weapons are silly.

 

[Sanackranib]

just keep in mind that this IS a game and when characters get desperate they will take desperate actions. no one ever said that desperate actions were "the best actions". if a finess character wanted to try a STR move like wielding a weapon in 2 hands to try to do extra damage, then there is no reason not to allow it as long as the character does not also benifit from DEX.

 

[Hypersmurf]

if a finess character wanted to try a STR move like wielding a weapon in 2 hands to try to do extra damage, then there is no reason not to allow it as long as the character does not also benifit from DEX.

Like, say, a Spiked Chain...? Finessable, two-handed...

-Hyp.

 

[Darklone]

Like, say, a Spiked Chain...? Finessable, two-handed...

-Hyp.

I don't think wielding a rapier in two hands improved the handling, Hyp

 

[Aaron2]

I would have liked to see the bronze rapiers from 2000 B.C. mentioned. Rapiers were not unknown before the Renaissance, they were simply uncommon because of the problems against armored opponents.

I saw one on a recent trip to Greece. It resembled an elongated spear point on a sword hilt.

From what I've read, the early Greeks used thrusting swords because, at the time, sword technology hadn't invented an effective way to mount a sword to a hilt. Thus, any cutting action would quickly break the mounting and separate the blade from the hilt. Not surprisingly, most of the Bronze Age thrusting swords found were broken in just this way. Once the tang was invented, cutting swords became the predominant weapon.



Aaron

 

[hong]

I don't like "Americian Cinima" in my games. Especially not concerning swordfights. Light wooden sticks or aluminium weapons are silly.

Heh. It isn't just "American Cinema" that features aluminium weapons. In the recent wuxia swordfighting flick _Hero_ (www.herothemovie.com), one of the early fight scenes pits Donnie Yen's uber-assassin Sky against some hapless policemen who have come to arrest him. In a beautifully-choreographed fight, Sky uses his wooden spear to thwack the mooks' swords into crazy bent shapes, before sending them packing. Great demonstration of why it's generally a bad idea to bring aluminium swords to a fight....

 

[Pielorinho]

While its true that the Rapier is a finess weapon there are enough instances in Americian Cinima of the frustrated bad guy using his rapier in 2 hands that I would allow it to be used in this way. However I would not allow weapon finess to be applied due to the "Uglyness Factor"

Really? Maybe I'm envisioning a rapier differently from how you are, but I cannot think of examples of people wielding a rapier in two hands. Light sabres, sure; rapiers, no. Can you give me some examples?

Daniel

 

[Darklone]

Hong, Sky used a silver spear. He had good connections to the new uber information seller and was faster than the new DR rules.