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D&D 4E 4E DnD Insider Moving; No Longer Available To New Subscribers

I don't know it that was already the case, but they no longer accept new subscribers.

Edit: My post doesn't make much sense, now that the OP has been promoted to news and edited to include more information.
 
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darjr

I crit!
I have a ddi account, but I lost the password and username and haven't logged in for two years, but it just renewed and charged me... argh.

I have asked and gotten a refund from wotc when I cancelled. That was a while ago, but I imagine they'll do the same here.
 

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Manchu2

First Post
Do you have a good email / phone number for that? I am stationed in Italy and don't have all of my files to track down the info. thanks,
 

Nikosandros

Golden Procrastinator
The main reason I still keep a DDI subscription is not the builder (I agree, the CBloader hack is better. Specially because I can add house rules via xml edit), but the Compendium. That one is absurdly valuable when you scratch your head and want to see if there is a "undead elite brute that resist cold" or something like that. Or checking for a feat that "modifies Cleave" or "give something else to use your opportunity actions" or "synergizes with high Wisdom".

The magazines were cool when they were being released. The Compendium is the real gold of DDI after the system was done.
I stopped my subscription some time ago, since I haven't played 4e in a while, but since I'd like to play it in the future, I'd pay for a legal off-line CB and Compendium.
 


RedSiegfried

First Post
I don't understand why they would want to allow current subscribers to renew and not allow new subscribers to start up.

Only thing I can think of is that they may want to announce the departure of the new tools soon, to happen sometime over the next 18 months, for example, and they want to stop taking on new users, but preventing current subscribers from renewing right now would cut off people immediately whose subscriptions are due to expire before they can make their announcement, which would be bad all around. Instead, if they want to phase the tools out, it makes more sense to make sure everyone who is a current subscriber gets the use of the tools for the full term of the subscription so there are no refunds that have to be given.

I don't know any of this to be a fact, it's just supposition. But if I were going to ramp down an online service, this is how I'd do it - make sure everyone gets their full subscription's worth.

I'm also going to be crossing my fingers that WoTC has heard the community and will either make an offline version of the 4e tools either free or available for a one-time purchase price.
 

MwaO

Explorer
I don't understand why they would want to allow current subscribers to renew and not allow new subscribers to start up.

Only thing I can think of is that they may want to announce the departure of the new tools soon, to happen sometime over the next 18 months, for example, and they want to stop taking on new users, but preventing current subscribers from renewing right now would cut off people immediately whose subscriptions are due to expire before they can make their announcement, which would be bad all around. Instead, if they want to phase the tools out, it makes more sense to make sure everyone who is a current subscriber gets the use of the tools for the full term of the subscription so there are no refunds that have to be given.

There's two other possibilities:
Dragon/Dungeon magazines are being sold for $2.99 each online. Hard to compete with 'all of them for the one month sub'
They may be getting a better deal now that Digital River doesn't need to manage new subscriptions, just take credit card info for old ones. Setting up that info is usually the expensive part, especially when people might subscribe for a month just to get all the old content...
 


darjr

I crit!
It reads to me that the stop on new subscribers was supposed to be temporary. Though I suppose it could also be an open ended statement. Still it seems like the wording intends the new subscriber issue is temporary.
 

Benji

First Post
I don't understand why they would want to allow current subscribers to renew and not allow new subscribers to start up.

If you keep paying them for 4e material they don't mind, but they're going to want new players and therefore subscribers to be playing 5th.

Given evidence that points to people paying subscriptions for character builder once for a whole group rather than buy multiple handbooks, is there any motivation or wizards to build a fifth ed version?
 

delericho

Legend
Given evidence that points to people paying subscriptions for character builder once for a whole group rather than buy multiple handbooks, is there any motivation or wizards to build a fifth ed version?

~80k subscribers at $6 a month (at the cheapest option) would seem a pretty decent motivation.
 

Magil

First Post
There's something fundamentally dysfunctional with WotC's approach to its digital tools for D&D. While 4e might have been flawed, the D&D Insider tools were extremely useful and, quite frankly, essential to the game. They've produced a great game in 5e but have failed to produce even minimal digital tools. I think they at least need to get a usable character generator online. Or allow 3rd party vendors to produce them. Whatever the solution, I hope one can be found in 2016.

By the way, Fantasy Grounds is dated and not very fun to use.

I can't help but agree. I can only surmise that WotC's reluctance to join the rest of us in the year 201X is that they're afraid of backlash from the middleman (local game shops). They can't possibly be so incompetent that they're just unable to make decent digital tools at this point, there must be another pressing reason behind it, and the LGS seems likely to be the culprit.
 

Benji

First Post
~80k subscribers at $6 a month (at the cheapest option) would seem a pretty decent motivation.

But they already have them, those people are already subscribed. Would bringing out more up to date tools that replace the need for a book actually add that many more, or are all the peeps interested in the subscription model already paying for it?

I'm not actually sure that's an answerable question, now I think about it. Not without research.

But even with those numbers, if they wait until all of them have bought a book before brining out the tools, then they maximise profit, right?

Edited: Because I can't string a sentence together.
 

delericho

Legend
But they already have them, those people are already subscribed.

They had them. They'd already peaked before 5e came out, and while we don't know how many have let their subscriptions lapse since then, I'd be shocked if it wasn't a significant number.

But even with those numbers, if they wait until all of them have bought a book before brining out the tools, then they maximise profit, right?

One of the things that is interesting about 5e is that WotC seem less interested in people buying books than in them simply playing the game - hence their willingness to give a hefty chunk of the game away completely free (and to provide additional support so people can play their storylines with just Basic), and also their much-reduced product line.

My suspicion is that this is because "we have 10 million active gamers" makes for a better licensing proposition than "we have 1 million active gamers", but that's speculation on my part.
 

RedSiegfried

First Post
It reads to me that the stop on new subscribers was supposed to be temporary. Though I suppose it could also be an open ended statement. Still it seems like the wording intends the new subscriber issue is temporary.
I tend to agree, and I hope you're right and we don't hear an announcement about the tools going away.

I like to think I can do without the tools and honestly, I can because I have ALL the books for 4e, but the tools sure do make my DMing job so much easier.

As others have stated or alluded, there are alternatives, but I prefer to keep using what I'm using.
 


Uchawi

First Post
Once they went to the online character builder my interest in 4E tools waned. Doing the same thing in 5E via online tools is a non-starter. If I don't own the content, then I don't want it.
 


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