an_idol_mind said:
So a couple of bucks here or there would stop you from purchasing a new edition of a game that you enjoy?
This thread is really blowing my mind, and not in a good way…
D&D 4E 4e price increase?
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So a couple of bucks here or there would stop you from purchasing a new edition of a game that you enjoy?
This thread is really blowing my mind, and not in a good way…
Matrix Sorcica
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That's based on the dollar exchange rate and then some discount - so it seems pretty correct to me.Tallarn said:Amazon.co.uk are currently quoting just under £15 for each book - there is no way that's correct. I'll wait and see what the actual price is going to be before committing to buying it - but it's likely that I'm going to be using my birthday to request Amazon vouchers and pay for it that way.
Amazon UK
Crazy thing is, because of Amazon VAT and shipping 'service' (which they also tax), I'm almost certain it will be cheaper for me to order from Leisure Games instead (living in Denmark).
ThirdWizard
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Tallarn said:Amazon.co.uk are currently quoting just under £15 for each book - there is no way that's correct. I'll wait and see what the actual price is going to be before committing to buying it - but it's likely that I'm going to be using my birthday to request Amazon vouchers and pay for it that way.
I don't know about Amazon.co.uk, but Amazon.com has this to say:
Amazon.com said:
I always pre-order anything I might want as soon as I see it listed. Then before it is released, I can cancel the order. But, I always have the lowest price if I do this.
I'm getting the 3 Core 4e books for $68.58 with shipping. There's no reason to wait and see. If I had waited, I would be paying more for my books. Pre-ordering is the way to go, even for those who aren't sure if they want to play 4e.
I feel bad for my local gaming store. Just, not enough to buy from him. It does make me kinda sad to say that, but I haven't even been there in over six months. Not really a FLGS (If it were, my stance might be different). I feel bad for any FLGSs, though, that will be hurt by this.
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PaulofCthulhu
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Value for money: If you're going to play it a fair amount and D&D is your interest, then I personally think it's excellent value for money overall.
I will hold my hand up and say that the only part of the ruleset I own for the modern editions is a crushed & battered copy of the PHB 3.5 (about $10 equivalent, as it was sold as 'shop soiled'), and I had much fun with it over 40 sessions of the World's Largest Dungeon. You can even listen in on the fun (and the rants - also fun)!
For players, the game can be very cheap. For Dungeon Masters it will cost more. Buying as a group obviously could help (if you have a regular/reliable group).
With so many flavours of D&D to choose from over 30 years (and fairly easily available through eBay), I think it's at a point where people can pick the edition they want to play, whether it's old Basic Sets or 4th edition or anything in between. Those who love 4th edition can love it, and those who don't, don't really need to (as long as you're OK with your version of D&D no longer being officially suported).
I very much sympathise with people who work and don't have a lot of spare cash at the end of the month, even with "a real job". Families, bills and mortgages (especially with house prices as they are in the UK) eat a lot of that net salary.
As to the cost, the most effective advice would seem to be to start saving now (if you need to), and buy at discount (if you have to).
As always, your mileage may vary.
Paul
I will hold my hand up and say that the only part of the ruleset I own for the modern editions is a crushed & battered copy of the PHB 3.5 (about $10 equivalent, as it was sold as 'shop soiled'), and I had much fun with it over 40 sessions of the World's Largest Dungeon. You can even listen in on the fun (and the rants - also fun)!
For players, the game can be very cheap. For Dungeon Masters it will cost more. Buying as a group obviously could help (if you have a regular/reliable group).
With so many flavours of D&D to choose from over 30 years (and fairly easily available through eBay), I think it's at a point where people can pick the edition they want to play, whether it's old Basic Sets or 4th edition or anything in between. Those who love 4th edition can love it, and those who don't, don't really need to (as long as you're OK with your version of D&D no longer being officially suported).
I very much sympathise with people who work and don't have a lot of spare cash at the end of the month, even with "a real job". Families, bills and mortgages (especially with house prices as they are in the UK) eat a lot of that net salary.
As to the cost, the most effective advice would seem to be to start saving now (if you need to), and buy at discount (if you have to).
As always, your mileage may vary.
Paul
ThirdWizard said:
Nice, that's like 34 quid (nothing).
not so wrong
Not so wrong here. 2 income household, 1 kid. $120 for hobbies in a single month is significant . I could not do it without blinking that is for sure. I will be doing the one book a month.
Now, $120 for the set to play with for years, is a good deal. But dropping $120 on a luxury item at one drop, even for an adult, is not always easy.
RK
Baby Samurai said:
Not so wrong here. 2 income household, 1 kid. $120 for hobbies in a single month is significant . I could not do it without blinking that is for sure. I will be doing the one book a month.
Now, $120 for the set to play with for years, is a good deal. But dropping $120 on a luxury item at one drop, even for an adult, is not always easy.
RK
rkwoodard said:
That must be one expensive kid…
borc killer
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You people crack me up.
Ruffly 20 years ago my 2e Players Handbook cost me $20 at Walden’s Books. That was for a horribly bound book with no color, bad art, and very very little text per page.
http://www.measuringworth.com/calculators/uscompare/result.php
In 2006, $20.00 from 1988 is worth:
$34.08 using the Consumer Price Index
$30.80 using the GDP deflator
$0.00 using the value of consumer bundle
$34.83 using the unskilled wage
$42.26 using the nominal GDP per capita
$51.71 using the relative share of GDP
According to that page $35 is about right for that OLD book. The new editions have been so much nicer in every single aspect that I would pay at least 10% over that if not 30.
Just go mow lawns for the summer to pay for it… that’s what I did when I was 10.
Ruffly 20 years ago my 2e Players Handbook cost me $20 at Walden’s Books. That was for a horribly bound book with no color, bad art, and very very little text per page.
http://www.measuringworth.com/calculators/uscompare/result.php
In 2006, $20.00 from 1988 is worth:
$34.08 using the Consumer Price Index
$30.80 using the GDP deflator
$0.00 using the value of consumer bundle
$34.83 using the unskilled wage
$42.26 using the nominal GDP per capita
$51.71 using the relative share of GDP
According to that page $35 is about right for that OLD book. The new editions have been so much nicer in every single aspect that I would pay at least 10% over that if not 30.
Just go mow lawns for the summer to pay for it… that’s what I did when I was 10.
borc killer said:
...I like your style, dude.
WSmith
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I will tell you what the real issue is. Quality Control.
Why should I pay $35 dollars for books that are going to be riddled with typos and errors? We all know that this has become the standard modus operandi in the modern RPG industry. Look at the 3e books and errata. What is even more sicking is that the majority of customers seem apathetic and accept this mediocrity. Not me. Yes, the older edition books were not perfect. BUT in this day and age, with PDF files, email, lighting quick communication, spellcheck and thousands of volunteers to do the proofreading, there is Z-E-R-O excuse for releasing a shoddy product.
If there was a small pre-release print run with the intention of catching errors for rules, layout, text, and clarity, with the actual release run being the finished product, after feedback, I would not mind dropping a few $20s on some good gaming books, (IIRC TSR did this with Alternity in the late 90's.) Granted this is not a practice many small publishers can pull off, but Wizards? The big cheese in this salad?
Apparently I have given more than just two cents.
Why should I pay $35 dollars for books that are going to be riddled with typos and errors? We all know that this has become the standard modus operandi in the modern RPG industry. Look at the 3e books and errata. What is even more sicking is that the majority of customers seem apathetic and accept this mediocrity. Not me. Yes, the older edition books were not perfect. BUT in this day and age, with PDF files, email, lighting quick communication, spellcheck and thousands of volunteers to do the proofreading, there is Z-E-R-O excuse for releasing a shoddy product.
If there was a small pre-release print run with the intention of catching errors for rules, layout, text, and clarity, with the actual release run being the finished product, after feedback, I would not mind dropping a few $20s on some good gaming books, (IIRC TSR did this with Alternity in the late 90's.) Granted this is not a practice many small publishers can pull off, but Wizards? The big cheese in this salad?
Apparently I have given more than just two cents.
