Hussar
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Actually, that is a perfect ending for the conversation because you have precisely brought it full circle.
User error does not establish a flaw in the system itself.
The level of user friendliness required may certainly vary from one group to another. But different systems serving the needs of different groups does not mean that either one has a problem.
I might as well say that a fast pitch batting cage has a problem with its system because I wiff at every ball it throws. If I'm talking to someone who can crush 17 out of 20, he is going to see the flaw in my claim that my misses signify a failure on the machine's part.
It may be true that there are other elements of the fast pitch machine that really could use some work. But if it functions for the intended user, then someone else not being able to use it is meaningless to the assessment.
Nice. So, basically, you're saying that I'm just not quite up to running or playing a 3.5 game. Nice.
Numerous people have reported having problems with this. There are numerous spells in the PHB which allow wizards (and to some degree clerics) to do rogue things many times better than rogues can.
Yet despite this, the problem lies with the players, and not the system. The system is absolutely perfect and cannot possibly be at fault here. All because you personally have never seen this happen.
Just as a question, how much time have you spent playing or Dming in games above 12th level?