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<blockquote data-quote="Tharivious" data-source="post: 4302340" data-attributes="member: 28105">Probably because it's exactly that - just another elf.&nbsp; 3.5 had five elves between the PhB and Monster Manual (plus another 2 from Forgotten Realms, and about 8 more from Dragon magazine), having two (three counting the partial drow entry, which is probably all that we're getting on them based on what happens in Ascendence of the Last... dark elves as a separate race, good job 4E Realms!) isn't quite that bad.&nbsp; What's outlandish about the dragonborn and the tiefling is that they are the races that belong in the Monster Manual and not the initial Player's Handbook, as they are intended to be rare and uncommon as heroes, and look like the sort of monsters adventurers are expected to kill in their careers.&nbsp; Splitting the elves into two races and dropping the excess in the Monster Manual and Forgotten Realms... decent enough trade.What irks me more is the (in my opinion) disgusting effect on the planes that 4E has had regarding all of the outsider races (yes, it's flavour... except for what they hardwired into the rules, which was quite a lot of it) (devils, demons, angels, eladrin, archons, and yes, even the slaad were all brutalized, let alone what happened to the yugoloths), and the egregious mistakes in the alignment system (ie, keeping it, but removing the four alignments the designers couldn't walk down the hall and talk to one of the 3E development leads about for five minutes to make sense of, and merging NG/CG, NE/LE, LG/LN, and CE/CN in the process).&nbsp; Worse yet, they referenced Sigil as being part of the cosmology of the core setting, which means I'm sure it's going to find itself getting the 4E treatment (a brutal beating followed by having its lunch money stolen) before too long, and I'm sure we can expect a level 36 Lady of Pain by the time Monster Manual III goes to print.&nbsp; Could be an exaggeration, but at the rate WotC is going, it's probably not too far off from the reality.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tharivious, post: 4302340, member: 28105"] Probably because it's exactly that - just another elf. 3.5 had five elves between the PhB and Monster Manual (plus another 2 from Forgotten Realms, and about 8 more from Dragon magazine), having two (three counting the partial drow entry, which is probably all that we're getting on them based on what happens in Ascendence of the Last... dark elves as a separate race, good job 4E Realms!) isn't quite that bad. What's outlandish about the dragonborn and the tiefling is that [b]they[/b] are the races that belong in the Monster Manual and not the initial Player's Handbook, as they are intended to be rare and uncommon as heroes, and look like the sort of monsters adventurers are expected to kill in their careers. Splitting the elves into two races and dropping the excess in the Monster Manual and Forgotten Realms... decent enough trade. What irks me more is the (in my opinion) disgusting effect on the planes that 4E has had regarding all of the outsider races (yes, it's flavour... except for what they hardwired into the rules, which was quite a lot of it) (devils, demons, angels, eladrin, archons, and yes, even the slaad were all brutalized, let alone what happened to the yugoloths), and the egregious mistakes in the alignment system (ie, keeping it, but removing the four alignments the designers couldn't walk down the hall and talk to one of the 3E development leads about for five minutes to make sense of, and merging NG/CG, NE/LE, LG/LN, and CE/CN in the process). Worse yet, they referenced Sigil as being part of the cosmology of the core setting, which means I'm sure it's going to find itself getting the 4E treatment (a brutal beating followed by having its lunch money stolen) before too long, and I'm sure we can expect a level 36 Lady of Pain by the time Monster Manual III goes to print. Could be an exaggeration, but at the rate WotC is going, it's probably not too far off from the reality. [/QUOTE]

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