D&D 5E 5E Survivor - Subclasses (Part XII: Rogues)

[niklinna]

Arcane Trickster 17
Assassin 15
Inquisitive 20
Mastermind 24 (fixing here too; sorry about that!)
Phantom 10
Scout 21
Swashbuckler 24
Thief 22

 

[DND_Reborn]

CORRECTED SCORES:

Arcane Trickster 17
Assassin 15
Inquisitive 20
Mastermind 24 - decreased without downvote.
Phantom 10
Scout 21
Swashbuckler 24
Thief 22

Let's be more careful, people, ok?

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Spoiler

yeah, in my mind the likely winner will be Scout, Swashbuckler, or maybe Thief, with Arcane Trickster getting some support. but I could be wrong...

FWIW, those plus Assassin are the only thief subclasses I've ever seen played.

Spoiler

i've seen Inquisitive a few times, but vanishingly few Scouts. Mostly Arcane Tricksters, Swashbucklers, Thief, and Assassin.

Most Assassins only chose that archetype after the group decided that it's "surprised target" feature is instead "a creature that is surprised or unaware of your presence". I still don't need that much disguise based infiltration stuff in my Assassins, and the fact that it mostly just gets a boost in the first round of combat means that I don't really see the class features that often, but others like it I guess.

 

[Undrave]

Spoiler

Spoiler

i've seen Inquisitive a few times, but vanishingly few Scouts. Mostly Arcane Tricksters, Swashbucklers, Thief, and Assassin.

Most Assassins only chose that archetype after the group decided that it's "surprised target" feature is instead "a creature that is surprised or unaware of your presence". I still don't need that much disguise based infiltration stuff in my Assassins, and the fact that it mostly just gets a boost in the first round of combat means that I don't really see the class features that often, but others like it I guess.

Spoiler

How's the Inquisitive in actual play? Reading it feels VERY limited.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Spoiler

How's the Inquisitive in actual play? Reading it feels VERY limited.

It’s rad. I don’t know how it’s be limited, it just doesn’t have any “clickies”.

It feels like RDJ’s Sherlock Holmes, in a fight.

 

[fluffybunbunkittens]

Arcane Trickster 17
Assassin 13 first round surprise sneak attack crit is cool, but uhh, then you're done
Inquisitive 20
Mastermind 24
Phantom 10
Scout 21
Swashbuckler 24
Thief 23 look, I'm upvoting bonus action item use, now that we still have it

 

[chrisrtld]

Arcane Trickster 18
Assassin 13
Inquisitive 20
Mastermind 22
Phantom 10
Scout 21
Swashbuckler 24
Thief 23

 

[Wandersails]

Arcane Trickster 18
Assassin 11
Inquisitive 20
Mastermind 22
Phantom 11
Scout 21
Swashbuckler 24
Thief 23

 

[Undrave]

It’s rad. I don’t know how it’s be limited, it just doesn’t have any “clickies”.

It feels like RDJ’s Sherlock Holmes, in a fight.

It just feels like all you do is roll Insight all the time but I guess the Rogue has fairly limited design spaces in its subclasses.

 

[Argyle King]

Arcane Trickster 18 + 1 = 19
Assassin 11
Inquisitive 20
Mastermind 22
Phantom 11 - 2 = 9
Scout 21
Swashbuckler 24
Thief 23

 

[Smythe the Bard]

Arcane Trickster 19
Assassin 11
Inquisitive 20
Mastermind 22
Phantom 9 - 2 = 7 you know too much of what lurks in the minds of men.
Scout 21
Swashbuckler 24 + 1 = 25
Thief 23

 

[Leuenherz]

Arcane Trickster 19
Assassin 11 - 2 = 9
Inquisitive 20
Mastermind 22
Phantom 7 + 1 = 8
Scout 21
Swashbuckler 25
Thief 23

 

[J-H]

Arcane Trickster 19
Assassin -2 = 7
Inquisitive 20
Mastermind 22
Phantom 8
Scout 21
Swashbuckler 25 +1 = 26
Thief 23

 

[JEB]

Arcane Trickster 19
Assassin 7 + 1 = 8
Inquisitive 20
Mastermind 22
Phantom 8
Scout 21
Swashbuckler 26 - 2 = 24
Thief 23

 

[Argyle King]

Arcane Trickster 19 + 1 = 20
Assassin 8
Inquisitive 20
Mastermind 22
Phantom 8 - 2 = 6
Scout 21
Swashbuckler 24
Thief 23

 

[Lycurgon]

Arcane Trickster 20 + 1 = 21
Assassin 8
Inquisitive 20
Mastermind 22
Phantom 6
Scout 21
Swashbuckler 24
Thief 23 - 2 = 21

 

[Ancalagon]

Arcane Trickster 21
Assassin 6
Inquisitive 20
Mastermind 22
Phantom 6
Scout 21
Swashbuckler 24
Thief 22

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Spoiler

It just feels like all you do is roll Insight all the time but I guess the Rogue has fairly limited design spaces in its subclasses.

Looking at the Arcane Trickster I’d disagree on limited design space. I think rather that it simply is a subclass that gives no new levers to pull, and thus joins thief, and possibly others, in the “hope you like the base class design because this is basically more of that!” archetypes.

 

[CleverNickName]

Spoiler

Ever since the Soul Knife subclass was eliminated, I've been at a loss for a downvote...so I'm gonna let ya'll pick my next target! Let's see here...of the five people who downvoted Swashbuckler today:

one of you upvoted the Assassin,​

one of you upvoted the Inquisitive,​

another upvoted the Thief,​

but two of ya'll upvoted the Arcane Trickster.​

So there ya go.

Arcane Trickster 21-2=19
Assassin 6
Inquisitive 20
Mastermind 22
Phantom 6
Scout 21
Swashbuckler 24+1=25
Thief 22

 

[niklinna]

Arcane Trickster 19
Assassin 6
Inquisitive 20
Mastermind 22
Phantom 6
Scout 21
Swashbuckler 26
Thief 20

Here's hoping I didn't mess up this time!