6 Epic Spells Per Day at Level 21?

[ainbimagh]

Hrm, true... that is a little interesting.

 

[GeorgeFields]

Actually, it doesn't. Don't forget the Special section, which makes a direct reference to the Prerequisites.

That really throws it for a loop, doesn't it?

I think I'd houserule you can gain the benefits once for arcane & once for divine regardless of RAW.

 

[Ulorian - Agent of Chaos]

That really throws it for a loop, doesn't it?

I think I'd houserule you can gain the benefits once for arcane & once for divine regardless of RAW.

Me too.

 

[RigaMortus2]

The way I read it is that the limit you can cast is up to is 4 Epic spells...

Special: If you meet more than one set of prerequisites, the limit on the number of spells you may cast per day is cumulative.

It is clear from this that you meet 3 prerequisites. Which doesn't matter, so long as you are meeting more than 1 prereq, because... The LIMIT on the number of spells you may cast per day is described in the Benefits section...

If you are an arcane spellcaster, you may cast a number of epic spells per day equal to your ranks in Knowledge (arcana) divided by 10.

Only 1 arcane class, so no arguement here. You cast 24/10 = 2 Epic spells

If you are a divine spellcaster, you may cast a number of epic spells per day equal to your ranks in Knowledge (religion) or Knowledge (nature) divided by 10.

You are a divine caster. As per the feat, choose either knowledge (religion) OR knowledge (nature). OR means "one or the the other, not both" Otherwise they would have said AND. Take that number (24) and divide by 10 = 2 Epic spells.

2 + 2 (cumulative) = 4 Epic spells

 

[KarinsDad]

2 + 2 (cumulative) = 4 Epic spells

Yup.

 

[Terath Ninir]

The way the feat is worded, you meet the prereqs three times and thus should get all three sets, thus giving you 6 epic spells per day.

Granted, their intent was most likely that the 3rd set of prereqs was strictly for druids. But that's not what they *wrote*.

Sometimes, I think WotC writes their feats this way just to make sure that people have something to fight about online.

 

[RigaMortus2]

The way the feat is worded, you meet the prereqs three times and thus should get all three sets, thus giving you 6 epic spells per day.

What does meeting the prereqs three times have to do with the benefit of the feat? It doesn't matter is you meet the prereqs 50 times, the benefit is what is important.

Granted, their intent was most likely that the 3rd set of prereqs was strictly for druids. But that's not what they *wrote*.

Sometimes, I think WotC writes their feats this way just to make sure that people have something to fight about online.

This feat seems worded fine to me. No ambiguity at all. Even when you pick it apart sentence by sentence, you get the same result.

You meet the prereqs 3 different ways (no doubt about it). And if you are an arcane caster (which you are) you get Knowledge (Arcana)/10 Epic spells. And if you are a divine caster (which you are) you get Knowledge (Religion) OR Knowledge (Nature) (your choice)/10 Epic spells. The amount of spells you gain from being an arcane caster and the amount of spells you gain from being a divine caster ARE cumulative, so there is also no descrepancy there either (this from the "Special" section at the end of the feat).

 

[Atavar]

What does meeting the prereqs three times have to do with the benefit of the feat? It doesn't matter is you meet the prereqs 50 times, the benefit is what is important.

It does seem to matter, because according to the Special section of the feat the number of sets of prerequisites you meet plays a role in how many epic spells you get, and this feat has three sets of prerequisites.

This feat seems worded fine to me. No ambiguity at all. Even when you pick it apart sentence by sentence, you get the same result.

Your interpretation is a valid one, but not the only valid one, precisely because of the ambiguity between the Benefit and Special sections of the feat.

The amount of spells you gain from being an arcane caster and the amount of spells you gain from being a divine caster ARE cumulative, so there is also no descrepancy there either (this from the "Special" section at the end of the feat).

That's just it--the Special section does NOT say that the number of epic spells is based on fulfilling the prerequisites as an arcane and/or a divine caster. It says it is based on fulfilling more than one set of prerequisites. Since there are three sets of prerequisites, 6 is a possible answer to the number of epic spells, depending on which side of the ambiguity of the feat one chooses to accept over the other.

Take care,

Atavar

 

[irdeggman]

From the SRD:

EPIC SPELLCASTING [EPIC]
Prerequisite: Spellcraft 24 ranks, Knowledge (arcana) 24 ranks, ability to cast 9th-level arcane spells. OR Spellcraft 24 ranks, Knowledge (religion) 24 ranks, ability to cast 9th-level divine spells. OR Spellcraft 24 ranks, Knowledge (nature) 24 ranks, ability to cast 9th-level divine spells.

Benefit: The character may develop and cast epic spells. If the character is an arcane spellcaster, he or she may cast a number of epic spells per day equal to his or her ranks in Knowledge (arcana) divided by 10. If the character is a divine spellcaster, he or she may cast a number of epic spells per day equal to his or her ranks in Knowledge (religion) or Knowledge (nature) divided by 10.

Special: If the character meets more than one set of prerequisites, the limit on the number of spells he or she may cast per day is cumulative.

Sorry I don't really see any ambiguity in the text either.

If the "special" didn't state the effects were cumulative then a character would only get divine or arcane spells but not both with the same feat.

It is obviously there to allow the type of PC you are talking about to exist in the first place (i.e., one that can cast both epic arcane and epic divine spells)

 

[Artoomis]

The answer OBVIOUS, as it often is.

The choice is your DMs, it's justified either way, as is so often the case.