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Why would it not be?
People aren't allowed to prefer the D&D logo on the box now?
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A bit tired of people knocking videogames...
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Why would it not be?
People aren't allowed to prefer the D&D logo on the box now?
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Thing is, 'too videogamey' is as valid a reason not to like a product as anything else. One may not agree with someone's personal definition of what 'too videogamey' is, but that doesn't make their opinion any less valid, nor does it require anyone to agree with it.
Heck, my wife disliked several books just from the art alone, and wouldn't look at them at all.
Despite pages upon pages of arguments over all this, we're circling the same issue: people have their own ideas and opinions, and hammering at them to fully explain to someone's satisfaction what a term means isn't getting us anywhere. People define 'videogamey' or 'dark' or 'ugly art' in different ways.
Thing is, 'too videogamey' is as valid a reason not to like a product as anything else. One may not agree with someone's personal definition of what 'too videogamey' is, but that doesn't make their opinion any less valid, nor does it require anyone to agree with it.
Heck, my wife disliked several books just from the art alone, and wouldn't look at them at all.
Despite pages upon pages of arguments over all this, we're circling the same issue: people have their own ideas and opinions, and hammering at them to fully explain to someone's satisfaction what a term means isn't getting us anywhere. People define 'videogamey' or 'dark' or 'ugly art' in different ways.
BryonD
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Exactly right. It doesn't impede my communication, so obviously I take other's claims that it defacto causes impediment to be more informative of the speaker than the topic.
Possibly it's the idea that video games differ a lot from each other that causes the confusion (I assume you're aware that they differ a lot from each other). Are you objecting to videogame elements in your RPG because you dislike simulationist mechanics, perhaps? You don't like sandbox games? You insist that proper RPGs must have classes? That learning skills as you use them is a horrible mechanic? Perhaps you dislike real-time combat?
billd91
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Not really, because you're trying to tell me what I'm saying, not ask what I'm saying. I may feel that 4e is videogamey - that's the description of my feelings at a general, overview level. If you want to know more about my statement, you're free to ask what about 4e makes it feel videogamey enough to make that statement. And in the course of a conversation, I'd most likely explain my reasoning.
That's the question that should follow-up any statement about an RPG being videogamey.
This is always the hard part, in trying to figure out whether a statement is a person's opinion or fact, or an inference.
In practice I've found that many people don't like being asked hard questions, and don't like explaining the meaning of something they've said. (ie. Many people don't like being "interrogated").
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Heck, I've found that most people don't like being asked questions period, because they don't like to be challenged on their personal beliefs and always take it personally when someone does ask questions. Mostly people just don't want to actually think about their beliefs, just repeat what they were taught. It doesn't matter if a person is a layman or an elitist intellectual that can use purple prose to describe a black carpenter ant, they all take it personally when they are challenged. Essentially it's the idiotic attitude that "what must be true for me must be true for all people and if not must be made to be true" attitude. And it doesn't matter if people are shown to be wrong with a hundred thousand volumes of evidence against them, they will not change their minds on the matter no matter what because once a person's beliefs are locked in it's completely impossible to change them.
Thinking about things is just so threatening and must never be done. It's just so.... unappealing at best. For most people.
Thinking about things is just so threatening and must never be done. It's just so.... unappealing at best. For most people.
Neonchameleon
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Then, as I normally start out by asking when the subject comes up, would you please explain your reasoning.
This, however, normally ends up with admissions like Oryan's "I'll use the term all day long to describe content that I feel belongs only in a video game regardless if it has ever even been in a video game." Which says that his version of videogamey has nothing to do with actual video games.
And one of the few clear definitions of the problem I've heard boiled down to a 2e fan claiming it was too easy and too smooth and you didn't have to juggle subsystems in your head. At which point I said I liked it that way and the conversation ended amicably.
It does. And the more I ask it the more convinced I get that it amounts to "I just don't like it". Which is fine. But when every example I have yet seen shows 4e to be less like existing video games than 3e I wonder at the analysis from anyone with that complaint.
Come to think of it, there is one big change that does make it look more like a video game. The language. D&D was written using language of tabletop wargamers because that's what was around. Currently there are far more WoW players than wargamers so 4e uses language aimed at them. And if you want to say the writing in the PHB sucks, I don't disagree.
A similar type of slur I've noticed some people using over the years, is the phrase "just like a comic book" to describe movies, books, tv shows, etc ... they don't like.
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amerigoV
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Thats the sad thing here. Most video games have some replay value. This thread certainly does not.
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