A critique and review of the Fighter class

[bedir than]

Spoiler: You could use this to fill that hole in your fighter's soul

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It would even put you on par with other classes that need to make hard choices with their ASI selections & not fill out 20+relevant combat feats till 8 or 12+

When has 6th level been considered Tier 1?

 

[tetrasodium]

When has 6th level been considered Tier 1?

Like it or not the base class chassis does not provide room for what you want in 1-5 because the earlier kevels are filled with extremely powerful abilities like action surge & extra attack.

Spoiler: I'd suggest levelup where they fix that

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The level 3 fighter archetype feature is almost always some form of combat feature further squeezing out room for noncombat features. Shy of simply expecting 3.x unearthed arcana gestalt style broken feature pileon what are you prepared to shed to gain what you are wanting?

 

[Bill Zebub]

But the situation doesn't change course without a roll of a die either by the DM or a player.

Isn’t that the incantation to summon @iserith?

 

[lingual]

I've seen DM's ask for Charisma checks for just about any interaction with NPC's, even "see if NPC is impressed by you". Once, this was even a group Charisma check because everyone was talking in a scene.

In a case like that, I can see the "low Charisma, no roleplaying" thing happening.

However, I will admit that in many cases, this is a self-fulfilling prophecy; a player who doesn't really want to rp will give themselves low Charisma.

That's just plain unnecessary IMHO. Even if you have a high Charisma, a lot of random people are just going hate you for whatever reason (d20 linear distribution, etc.).

 

[lingual]

When has 6th level been considered Tier 1?

Don't most players have the option of setting their Charisma score before they even choose their class? Also, you get an ASI at level 4. That's tier 1.

If you envision a diplomat that's also a warrior, you have options. Obviously, you shouldn't expect a diplomat to be as effective in combat as a brute (because of choices), but you can choose the option.

 

[Jefe Bergenstein]

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Like it or not the base class chassis does not provide room for what you want in 1-5 because the earlier kevels are filled with extremely powerful abilities like action surge & extra attack.

Spoiler: I'd suggest levelup where they fix that

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The level 3 fighter archetype feature is almost always some form of combat feature further squeezing out room for noncombat features. Shy of simply expecting 3.x unearthed arcana gestalt style broken feature pileon what are you prepared to shed to gain what you are wanting?

The paladin, ranger, artificer, even the friggin Valor bard also gets extra attack. On top of abilities in multiple pillars. On top of spells. On top of more more more. An extra action a couple times a day is woefully inadequate.

 

[Older Beholder]

Y'all know that roleplaying isn't a pillar of play, right?
Roleplaying is expected in every pillar of play. It doesn't make up for the Fighter not having any unique abilities within either the social or exploration pillars.

Yes, which is why I disagree with the video's premise that the fighters main weakness is that it's not good for roleplaying because it lacks abilities in the social pillar.

The video states that 'Wizards of the coast forgot that Dungeons and Dragons was a roleplaying game when they were designing this class'

 

[tetrasodium]

The paladin, ranger, artificer, even the friggin Valor bard also gets extra attack. On top of abilities in multiple pillars. On top of spells. On top of more more more. An extra action a couple times a day is woefully inadequate.

They also get a very different selection of hit dice proficiencies & abilities at level 1 & 2 when fighter are getting all weapons d10 hit die all armor & a short rest pegged action surge/second wind & so on. None of the classes you mentioned gets a third or fourth attack extra attack though. The poster I was responding to in the post you quoted was lamenting the fact that the level 6 fighter ASI is not in tier1 (the level 4 fighter ASI is as someone noted).

 

[bedir than]

Don't most players have the option of setting their Charisma score before they even choose their class? Also, you get an ASI at level 4. That's tier 1.

If you envision a diplomat that's also a warrior, you have options. Obviously, you shouldn't expect a diplomat to be as effective in combat as a brute (because of choices), but you can choose the option.

What class doesn't have attributes?

 

[bedir than]

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Like it or not the base class chassis does not provide room for what you want in 1-5 because the earlier kevels are filled with extremely powerful abilities like action surge & extra attack.

Spoiler: I'd suggest levelup where they fix that

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The level 3 fighter archetype feature is almost always some form of combat feature further squeezing out room for noncombat features. Shy of simply expecting 3.x unearthed arcana gestalt style broken feature pileon what are you prepared to shed to gain what you are wanting?

I've stated multiple times that a small boost so they have something, anything. Barbarians got it. It was bizarre to not do the same for Fighters.