[A&E Guide] Blindfold of True Darkness

[RigaMortus]

Isn't casting "Blindsight" on someone and having them close their eyes essentially the same thing? And cheaper too =)

 

[Caliban]

The blindfold.

But in your post prior to that you said the blinfold wasn't a problem.

Right. I wasn't talking about darkness. I was presenting a solution to the item itself.

You should have said so then.

With darkness? No. It didn't. That much was very evident. I even stated so multiple times.

Could have fooled me. I don't see where you state this even once.

I could say the same thing, as my post was never about darkness, but the item itself.

Then you really need to explain yourself better in the future. I would find it helpful. Thanks.

Nope. I simply expect you to treat me as well as I treat you.

You've never treated me very well, so I think I'm doing pretty good.

I expected better from a fellow poster.

Ooh, catty. Rowr.

I somewhat agreed about six posts up. Did you not see it? It was my reply to Forrester.

You just said the item should be limited somehow. You didn't address the price at all, which is the point I was making.

 

[RigaMortus]

I expected better from a fellow Texan.
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When you have George Bush as president, your expectations of Texans are pretty much thrown out the window

/em waits for thread to turn political...

Muhahahahaha

 

[Caliban]

When you have George Bush as president, your expectations of Texans are pretty much thrown out the window

/em waits for thread to turn political...

Muhahahahaha

Nah, Bush does pretty much what I expect from a Texan (based on my experiences growing up there).

Mangle the English language, and start brawls with smaller opponents (or opponents of just about any size) because you don't like something they said or did (or how they look, or the vehicle they drive).

 

[AuraSeer]

The blindfold.

But kreynolds, you're posting "solutions" to a problem that doesn't exist. In the situation you describe, where the area is lit and all combatants can see, the blindfold grants few or no useful abilities. It only becomes b0rken when combined with magical darkness, which is a cheap and common effect in the standard campaign.

 

[kreynolds]

But in your post prior to that you said the blinfold wasn't a problem.

Where did I say that?

You should have said so then.

Not once did I mention darkness in my example.

Could have fooled me.

You assumed. It happens. No big deal. Just don't blame me for your assumption.

I don't see where you state this even once.

Afterwards, when it was evident that a couple of people made incorrect assumptions.

Then you really need to explain yourself better in the future.

I explained myself just fine. You assumed.

I would find it helpful.

It would be helpful if you didn't blame me for your own assumptions. You assumed darkness was part of my equation, even though it was never even mentioned. Now that you understand that, you are trying to blame me for your assumption.

You've never treated me very well, so I think I'm doing pretty good.

When did I mistreat you in this thread? In fact, when was the last time I mistreated you? I don't think you're behaving this way because of a grudge, and because of that, I don't know why you're behaving this way. I would hope that we could have a civil discussion, but if you don't want to do that, then perhaps this needs to be handled another way.

Ooh, catty. Rowr.

Catty? Nah. Just pointing out the obvious.

You just said the item should be limited somehow.

Exactly.

You didn't address the price at all, which is the point I was making.

Limiting the item would bring its power more inline with its price. So, I did address it, just the other way around, though I should have been more clear and inserted "limiting it to a single sense, such as sound or vibration, would brings its power down inline with its current price". Instead of bumping the price up, I suggested toning the item down.

 

[kreynolds]

In the situation you describe, where the area is lit and all combatants can see, the blindfold grants few or no useful abilities.

I agree, but darkness is pretty easy to counter, so the solution is still relevant. The blindfold is harder to directly counter, but the darkness isn't.

It only becomes b0rken when combined with magical darkness, which is a cheap and common effect in the standard campaign.

And is also pretty easy to counter.

 

[kreynolds]

"This spell grants the subject the blindsight ability out to a range of 30 feet." No mention of any specific senses involved.

Ouch. That's odd. Are there any funky requirements?

 

[LokiDR]

Both blindsight spells out of Savage Species can be made permenent. I didn't agree with MoF blindsight as a 3rd level spell, and Savage Species moved it to 2nd level and gave you option of making it permenent.

I can only guess 2 reasons for the spells and blindfold. Either someone at WotC is smoking something strong or it is assumed that everyone will have easy access to blindsight. No character, besides perhaps an archer, can really survive at high levels without the ability to fly. Perhaps they are tring to make blindsight similar? More likely, IMO, is that not enough thought was put into how this abilty can be abused, such as deeper darkness.

At least the item can be priced closer to formula. Spell level x caster level x 2,000 = 4x7x2,000 = 56,000. Ajust up for immunity to gaze/sight based attacks, adjust down for limited vision.

Blindsight/darkness can be defeated by a number of tatics. That doesn't make it weak. Imunity to gaze attacks is nothing to sneeze at, and never have to spot hiding rogues is very useful. The blindfold also stops glitterdust daze and color spray. At 9k, this is just too useful not to have. Even if you only use it once in while, it will easily be worth it.

 

[Caliban]

Where did I say that?

In your very first post.

Not once did I mention darkness in my example.

But the the posts immediately before yours were discussing darkness. Since you didn't specify what issue you were replying it, it appeared that you were discussing the one in the posts just prior to yours.

As I said, you weren't clear.

You assumed. It happens. No big deal. Just don't blame me for your assumption.

When you don't express yourself clearly, it's easy to make assumptions.

Afterwards, when it was evident that a couple of people made incorrect assumptions.

Exactly. Please make the effort to discuss things in a more clear fashion in the future. <--- (See? Polite request.)

I explained myself just fine. You assumed.

Not exactly.

You didn't explain the visibility conditions in your example, leave the door open to assumption. Since the item under discussion grants blindsight, it is to be expected that you are in a circumstance where you will actually need to use the blindfold, unless you state otherwise. You did not state otherwise.

Why should we have assumed that your example was one where there was no logical reason to have the blindfold on?

It would be helpful if you didn't blame me for your own assumptions. You assumed darkness was part of my equation, even though it was never even mentioned. Now that you understand that, you are trying to blame me for your assumption.

LOL. That's pretty darned funny. Darkness was mentioned in several posts prior to yours. If you were not continuing that discussion, you should have made this known.

When did I mistreat you in this thread? In fact, when was the last time I mistreated you?

When did I say you mistreated me? You are making a big assumption there.

I said you haven't treated me well, not that you mistreated me.

This thread is a perfect example.

I don't think you're behaving this way because of a grudge, and because of that, I don't know why you're behaving this way. I would hope that we could have a civil discussion, but if you don't want to do that, then perhaps this needs to be handled another way.

You seem to have developed a rather narrow definition of "polite" and "civil" since your arrival here. My definitions are a little broader. If you can't handle it, that's your problem, not mine.

I think you are just wasting a lot of time and bandwith by making a big deal over nothing, but I've seen you do this in just about every other debate where you lose ground so I'm not suprised.

If you want to "handle it another way" feel free. It's about what I expect from you by now. I had hoped for better this time though. *sigh*