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A GAME OF THRONES = Dead!!!
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Yves Van Herp
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My thanks in advance!
Yves
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Yves Van Herp
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That's fast, Iron Chef! I already got it!
Many thanks!
Many thanks!
HeapThaumaturgist
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Wow, I wouldn't expect a company in such dire straights to be able to land a "big" IP like AGoT.
Then again, the deals and bending over backward to accomodate that little piece of IP very well might be what drove them under. By all accounts working with licensed IP is very often demanding and time consuming all out of proportion to the amount of money you can make.
They might have gone into serious debt to bring this thing to fruition and found it just didn't have the earning potential to get them out of the hole. GoO seemed to be real big on licensing in general, with all the anime products, so it might be they just ran themselves into the dirt getting deals.
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Then again, the deals and bending over backward to accomodate that little piece of IP very well might be what drove them under. By all accounts working with licensed IP is very often demanding and time consuming all out of proportion to the amount of money you can make.
They might have gone into serious debt to bring this thing to fruition and found it just didn't have the earning potential to get them out of the hole. GoO seemed to be real big on licensing in general, with all the anime products, so it might be they just ran themselves into the dirt getting deals.
--fje
Bobitron
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I'm sorry to hear about a company going under, especially one with well-recieved products like AGoT. Also sad to hear they were unable to meet their committments regarding promised material and payment for the talent involved in the creative process.
I'm happy that AGoT was released before this stuff happened.
I'm happy that AGoT was released before this stuff happened.
Iron_Chef
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They landed the IP in 2002, IIRC, before all the hubbub, bub. Trying to get it out could very well have helped mess them up.
I think they did an excellent job of translating the first aSoIaF novel (AGOT) into an RPG, a terrible job of creating a complete fantasy rules set (no magic rules!) you could port to other settings, and a mediocre job with the finished rulebook. Much of the artwork they commissioned was either horribly amateur or too anime looking. I wouldn't have paid one thin dime for it if I were GoO (and maybe they didn't, LOL). AGOT is about medieval grit, not BESM! A lot of the art was recycled from the card game, IIRC (NPC portraits). I couldn't believe all the pages they wasted on bad art, particularly the two page spreads. No art is always better than bad art, because bad art makes you feel stupid for even looking at it!
The other thing that was a total rip-off in AGOT was wasting a bunch of pages on a lame college essay on the origins of fantasy literature (up through GRRM). Those pages could have been used for an adventure, a character background generator table set, sample location maps... something, anything useful.
As to the GM's Screen and Adventure, they both seemed very good from the pdfs I read.
Trying to get it out could very well have helped mess them up. I think they did an excellent job of translating the first aSoIaF novel (AGOT) into an RPG, a terrible job of creating a complete fantasy rules set (no magic rules!) you could port to other settings, and a mediocre job with the finished rulebook. Much of the artwork they commissioned was either horribly amateur or too anime looking. I wouldn't have paid one thin dime for it if I were GoO (and maybe they didn't, LOL). AGOT is about medieval grit, not BESM! A lot of the art was recycled from the card game, IIRC (NPC portraits). I couldn't believe all the pages they wasted on bad art, particularly the two page spreads. No art is always better than bad art, because bad art makes you feel stupid for even looking at it!
The other thing that was a total rip-off in AGOT was wasting a bunch of pages on a lame college essay on the origins of fantasy literature (up through GRRM). Those pages could have been used for an adventure, a character background generator table set, sample location maps... something, anything useful.
As to the GM's Screen and Adventure, they both seemed very good from the pdfs I read.
::sigh::
d20 claims another victim.
While I won't go so far as to excuse GoO for not fulfilling orders for hard copies of the "bonuses" promised, I fail to see how a company that's going bankrupt can be expected to do so. PDFs are a good alternative, but still... It's just kinda sad, especially since GoO was one of the only companies left to cater to anime fans (BESM and all its suppliments).
Tom
d20 claims another victim.
While I won't go so far as to excuse GoO for not fulfilling orders for hard copies of the "bonuses" promised, I fail to see how a company that's going bankrupt can be expected to do so. PDFs are a good alternative, but still... It's just kinda sad, especially since GoO was one of the only companies left to cater to anime fans (BESM and all its suppliments).
Tom
Thanee
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That's pretty damn sad, indeed.
If GoO really goes down the drain, hopefully someone will pick up the SoIaF license and continue the line.
BTW, most people liked the artwork in the AGoT book from what I recall.
It certainly isn't *bad*. You probably havn't really seen some of the bad art out there.
Bye
Thanee
If GoO really goes down the drain, hopefully someone will pick up the SoIaF license and continue the line.
BTW, most people liked the artwork in the AGoT book from what I recall.
It certainly isn't *bad*. You probably havn't really seen some of the bad art out there.
Bye
Thanee
Teflon Billy
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Thanee said:That's pretty damn sad, indeed.
If GoO really goes down the drain, hopefully someone will pick up the SoIaF license and continue the line.
BTW, most people liked the artwork in the AGoT book from what I recall.
It certainly isn't *bad*. You probably havn't really seen some of the bad art out there.
Seriously. The art is for the most part really good, and really setting-appropriate (most of it is created directly from scenes in the book).
What "Anime" you are talking about is beyond me.
Theron
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BluSponge said:::sigh::
d20 claims another victim.
Nah. The weak US dollar claims another victim.
I first began hearing murmurs of GOO's troubles about this time last year. They took a serious hit when the dollar began to tank against other currencies, notably the Canadian dollar. Said problems were why GOO had to partner with White Wolf's S&S imprint to get the OGL version of the book out the door.
I was hoping GOO would pull out a save, but it's not looking good. I pre-ordered the LE version of AGOT to try and help them out, so to speak. It would've been nice to get the bonus stuff, but I imagine it's mouldering on a customs dock somewhere or in the back room of a fulfillment house awaiting payment.
The experience has definitely soured me on the notion of pre-paying for anything in the future.
But if you're ticked off about getting stiffed over product, spare a thought for the writers and artists who've yet to be paid for their work (I know a number of them.)
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