A GAME OF THRONES = Dead!!!

[Maester Luwin]

BTW: Here's a site I just found that has a ton of awesomely helpful new feats, backgrounds, classes, etc., including an xls noble family generator and info on Ghis, Lhazar and Braavos. Plus extensive House Rules! Bookmark it!

http://agot.pbwiki.com/FrontPage

I second this! It has PrC of the Greenseer & Priest of the Drowned God! Well done indeed. Thanks Maester Luwin

 

[Widowmaker]

I bought the deluxe edition and am happy with all of the book. Even the artwork, I agree there are a page here or there that is a little cheap. But overall, I love the book and the rules. I would give it a 4.9 out of 5.

I am GMing a solo campaign and have to say it is my favorite game I have ever played or GM'ed.

No offense but Iron_Chef you sound bitter and jaded. You got the pdf. version be happy with that.

 

[Matrix Sorcica]

Here's a tangentially related question - What's David Pulver up to these days? I don't think he's updated his webpage this year. Is he writing GURPS stuff for SJG, or is he not doing game design at all anymore?

He's doing Gurps.

 

[Theron]

I hate seeing any company go under, but it was bound to happen considering they were asking for donations.

Are you sure you don't have them confused with Palladium? I don't recall GOO making any such plea.

 

[Iron_Chef]

No offense but Iron_Chef you sound bitter and jaded. You got the pdf. version be happy with that.

I am bitter and jaded. No offense, but I don't understand your attitude. Would you be happy paying $115 for a pdf?

I did get my hardcopy of AGOT (very late) and my pdf--in fact, it was me who made such a fuss to Mark that he finally gave us the pdf because the hardcopies were so late. It was also me who demanded (and got) pdfs of the bonus gifts released--without which DLE preorder customers would have been completely shafted. But I never get any credit! Because that would mean the power was in the hands of the consumer, rather than the lord and master publisher being free to abuse his customers and hand out crumbs whenever he felt generous.

Let's face it: Most people are perfectly happy being sheep no matter how many times they get fleeced, but not me. I won't stand for it and I will lead the charge for consumer rights every time my rights are violated--no matter how many others mindlessly suckup to the very people ripping them off! These sheep gladly drink the contemptuous spit the publisher rains down upon them and then villify me for getting them what they paid for, LOL. They'll take any excuse, no matter how lame (the dog ate my company)--heck, they'll even take no excuse at all! They'll just smile and say, "Oh, well--I hope I get what I paid for someday!"

I don't get it. I've been in business long enough to know you don't treat customers that way and I've been ripped-off often enough to know what to do about it. You shine a great big light on the subject, so the rip-off artist has nowhere left to hide and must start complying with your demands or else give up the ghost.

I remember I started a business once because I'd been ripped off by a total scumbag idiot who lied and cheated me and refused to make it right. I started a competing business and badmouthed him everywhere I could, along with his rip-off buddies running similar businesses. My smear campaign (and superior customer service) worked, because I'd driven him and several of his buddies out of business within 6 months to a year. Eventually, I crushed nearly all of my competition and delighted in their downfalls, not only for my bottom line, but because I had cleaned up the market and made it safer for consumers. Eventually, all good things come to an end, and 10 years later when I had to bankrupt the business (due to changing market conditions that made it untenable), I made sure I didn't rip-off any of my customers or freelancers--without whom, I would never would have had the success that I enjoyed.

PS: I think it was Palladium who was very upfront about their problems and handled it well, raising $100k in short order to keep going. GoO should have taken a lesson in how not to go under from Kevin Siembieda instead of clamming up.

 

[Piratecat]

I'd like to pick up the Game of Thrones game from Amazon, but can't find it there. Anyone able to provide a link?

 

[kingpaul]

I'd like to pick up the Game of Thrones game from Amazon, but can't find it there. Anyone able to provide a link?

This it?

 

[bento]

Piratecat - I saw that most Barnes and Nobles had copies of this book last year and in multiples even.

It must have cost GoO quite a bit to get all those color copies printed and distributed to such a highly-visible chain. I guess that's where their agreement with White Wolf came in.

Bento

 

[Radiating Gnome]

I'm in the "sad" and "one of the best RPG/D20 products I've seen" camps.

It's a bitter truth that creative vision and business acumen don't always come in the same package. And, not knowing anything about why they're going under (besides the obvious not selling enough problem) I don't even know if that's the reason. It's disappointing that they are not being better to their customers.

But the product . . . . I understand that the art is important, but IMO the real gift of the AGOT RPG book is some of the real innovations of the system. The influence system creates, for really the first time, a playable game system for inter-character relations that don't have to involve bloodletting. The combat system -- including a fresh look at some combat mechanics -- brings a fresh new, very playable feel to the old d20 combat mechanics.

They had the balls to make a combat system that was intentionally -- explicitly -- trying to be less cinematic, in a time when everyone is trying to be more cinematic.

They made some odd decisions, too -- like the 20 page history of RPGs at the front of the book -- but overall I have to say that I hope the creative people behind the product are being actively pursued by other publishers and locked into other products.

I'm a huge fan of the Martin books, and I felt like the product really did the justice, which is no mean feat. I hope the license lands in as good hands.

-rg

 

[Dragonhelm]

Are you sure you don't have them confused with Palladium? I don't recall GOO making any such plea.

Pretty sure. I think both companies did it. Though Palladium's situation is far different, from the sounds of it.

I don't remember for certain, but it sticks in my mind.