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[Grimhelm]

As for the Youtube clip, I can't really compare a mistake about history to complete inability to speak about current events displayed be Palin. Yes, he goofed. But, Palin's was much funnier in that she stammered like a 3rd grader trying to bull$*&% the teacher.

 

[InzeladunMaster]

As for Keynesian econommics, according to what I found below, it's a theory and is one of many economic theories. So, what are you saying? Are you saying it is the one true theory? And thus taxes should be manipulated to control the economy?

No, I am not saying that Keynesian economics is the one true theory (just that it rose out of the initial bust of the Great Depression, but others have arisen since) - but tax manipulation is one of many tools in many economic theories, and to throw out a tool from the tool box which might be needed later is foolhardy. I am not saying taxes should be used, just that taxes could be used - and that tax cuts have a definite effect on the economy, so be wary of politicians wanting to cut taxes across the board in inflationary times.

Also, while Wikipedia has its uses, don't rely on it too heavily. Nearly every college forbids its use because it is not a scholarly resource.

 

[InzeladunMaster]

It appeared to me that Palin was working with a list of prepared responses that she had memorized. She clearly had no knowledge of some of these issues until she was "programmed". She then spit out the same tired sloganeering. She steered the conversations into these realms repeatedly, completely disregarding questions. Her responses lacked substance but were full of cute winks and folksy language. I found her to be vaccuous and unimaginative. She did fine when she was talking from her prepared remarks, but when she has to really think on her feet, she stumbles and stammers over complete vacancies in her head regarding substantive issues.

I'd agree. I would also argue that her steering of the questions into her direction indicates something more sinister.

Read what Chris Matthews had to say:

For a while, I thought I was hearing recitation. She was more of a contestant than a candidate. I thought I was watching a spelling bee with some of Gov. Palin’s responses. It was so reciting, so automatic.

She said she wasn’t going to listen to Gwen Ifill tonight. She also said didn't like "the filter of mainstream media," which means she’s not going to do more serious interviews like Katie Couric.

I also thought it was interesting that Sarah Palin wanted to enlarge the role for the vice president. That was extraordinary and requires more exploration for the media.

So, in essence, tonight, what a statement: “I’m not playing by the rules, and I want more power.” There's not that much humility there.

She definitely treated the debate questions as optional, but she also showed a hungry grasp for power not unlike the Republicans currently in office.

 

[InzeladunMaster]

I suppose I don't make myself clear. I was saying that taxes are sure to go up with Obama and that I feel I have a slight chance of them not going up with McCain.

Another thing, "Palin did not defend, or even attempt to defend, McCain’s plan to begin taxing health-care benefits--a plan that most experts agree would end up costing families thousands of dollars a year." (from Race to the Finish : Palin Scored Points, But She Didn’t Win)

 

[Grimhelm]

If you were confused about Palin's debating style, this flow chart proves exceedingly handy:

Daily Kos: Sarah Palin Debate Flow Chart

 

[InzeladunMaster]

Absolutely hilarious!

 

[APewty]

I suppose vacuous applies to her as much as mean spirited applies to Biden. That's my opinion. Biden comes off as pushy, easily agitated and most likely to bluster and aggrandize his presence when he feels he's pushed. He's clearly a better speaker, but I would expect that from a politician of so many years.

If I had to say one thing about Palin that was negative, it was that there was too much rhetoric. That is true of both sides, but I thought she was worse about it.

As for the Youtube clip, I can't really compare a mistake about history to complete inability to speak about current events displayed be Palin. Yes, he goofed. But, Palin's was much funnier in that she stammered like a 3rd grader trying to bull$*&% the teacher.

Why not? Did Palin have any idea what Couric was going to ask? I don't know, but instead of pulling something out of her ass, like Biden did, she at least appeared to answer the question or sidestep it. I'd rather someone sidestep than flat out make up a lie. So what you are saying is that Palin's is funnier because she's not a convincing liar like Biden is? That's reassuring......

Seriously Grim, I think you just can't stand her. You don't like her and just want to make fun of her. That's fine with me but I can't take you seriously when you comment on her, knowing you won't give her any credit at all, despite what she has done.

What I posted about Biden is just one moment in time. It's not really that big of a deal. But it serves to show that almost everyone gets caught looking like a moron every once in a while.

Here's a link to the bailout just for reference:
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/09/28/bailout bill.pdf

 

[BobProbst]

Here's a link to the bailout just for reference:
The Swamp

I think that's the original House plan that failed. I haven't seen the Senate version.

Considering that my bar was set very low for Palin last night, I thought she did well -- better than I expected. She appeared composed given the situation and spoke with conviction. There was very obvious question dodging and less than artful generalizations but then Biden came across a bit pedantic at times. In terms of substance and staying on topic -- Biden did the better job but he also had the most to lose going into the debate and Palin the most to gain. From that perspective, I think Palin gained some and Biden didn't lose anything.

I was actually glad to see some more of Biden and get to know him better (at least as a politician). I think Obama did well to choose him.

Two things bothered me:
1) NUKULAR. I thought that Palin intentionally used this Bushism -- at times I felt she struggled to remember the wrong pronunciation. Drove me insaner than Bush using it since his appears to be genuine ignorance.
2) Arguing about voting records. "So and so voted for/against this or that bill." To anyone who understands the legislative process, this is such a transparent attack and is worse than outright name calling because it wraps up a lie inside a truth. Members of Congress might vote against bill for a lot of reasons. They might believe a bill that, in principle, addresses a concern they have isn't forceful enough or lacks the resources to enact it or is simply poorly written. It might have additional riders that act as a poison pill (a very sneaky way to kill a bill). Without details that a 90 second window can't possibly provide, bringing up these points is not at all productive to a reasoned arguement. Sadly, reasoned arguements don't win campaigns.

That is all.

 

[Grimhelm]

Why not? Did Palin have any idea what Couric was going to ask? I don't know, but instead of pulling something out of her ass, like Biden did, she at least appeared to answer the question or sidestep it. I'd rather someone sidestep than flat out make up a lie. So what you are saying is that Palin's is funnier because she's not a convincing liar like Biden is? That's reassuring......

In an interview, I doubt seriously if that many people know what is to be asked of them. And when someone asks me what newspaper I read, I can answer them. I won't say, "Um, all of them. Everything that comes across my table." Give me a break. And when someone asks me about foreign affairs, and I am the damned candidate for the vice presidency, I better have an answer, not say "I'll send you some info when I find it."

I am not saying Palin is funnier because she is not as convincing a liar as Biden is. You are putting words in my mouth, and this style of debate is too full of your assumptions about things that were never said

Fact: I didn't think the Biden clip was funny.
Assumption by Apewty: Mark thinks Biden is a better liar and therefore less funny.

Notice the difference?

Seriously Grim, I think you just can't stand her. You don't like her and just want to make fun of her. That's fine with me but I can't take you seriously when you comment on her, knowing you won't give her any credit at all, despite what she has done.

What has she done? Just because she is a governor doesn't mean she isn't a total banana brain. You can get quite far in politics, evidently, being a total nitwit. Just ask George Bush.

What I posted about Biden is just one moment in time. It's not really that big of a deal. But it serves to show that almost everyone gets caught looking like a moron every once in a while.

Yes, but Palin is quite adept at it, so adept in fact that SNL can spoof her without changing her dialogue.

 

[BobProbst]

Speaking of making it over the low bar: THE EXPECTATIONS GAME.