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A supposedly great thing that I'll never watch again- Great media that left you cold

Retreater

Legend
Yeah she has the DVD. Mentioned it last night.

Nooooooooloo

Retrogaming time I've dug out the PSP and GBA to play Megadrive/Genesis RPGs.
Mine will want to watch it, but then spend most of the time on her phone watching dog videos ... which is what happened last night during "Christmas with the Kranks."
I don't particularly like this time of year. I don't feel festive. I don't want to hang out with my family or decorate. Just let it pass.
 

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Zardnaar

Legend
This is going to hard to explain, but it's top-of-the-mind awareness for me right now ----

Tomb Raider


But maybe not in the way you think.

So, I'm just finishing the 2013 reboot of Tomb Raider . . . . Yeah, I know, it's been 7 years, so sue me. I'm a mid-40s family man with a career in financial technology, it's not like I have all the time in the world to game these days. :p

And there's just so much wrong with this game --- the completely out-of-context, over-the-top violence of the protagonist. The rampant misogyny evidenced in the deplorable plot. The entire lack of enough actual, you know, tombs to explore.

Despite my age, I never got into the "original" Tomb Raider games (basically, TR:1 through TR:6) back in the late '90s, mostly because I never owned a PlayStation and the PC versions were kind of crap.


But I completely fell in love with the "minor reboot" versions that came out in the mid-2000s --- Tomb Raider: Legend, Tomb Raider: Anniversary, and Tomb Raider: Underworld (though Underworld was a total rush job with a million things to nitpick).


However, my enjoyment was never really about the character of Lara Croft as protagonist. I liked the games because they strongly emphasized exploration as their primary function. The fighting/violence, while still present, was de-emphasized and mostly in the background.

So it's one of those things where if someone were to ask me, "Do you like Tomb Raider?" I kind of have to respond with lots of caveats and provisos.

"Well, yes, but really only this one, small, niche part of the entire franchise, basically 2 (or 2.5) of the video games that came along in the middle of its run. The first two movies were amusingly forgettable at best and laughable at worst. The third movie (2018) was a little better, but still wasted most of its initial promise with an absolutely horrible last 1/3 of the film. I don't really care about any of the games prior to 2006, and don't really care about any of them after 2013. But, yeah, I guess I still sort of like Tomb Raider?"

I liked the new Tomb Raiders but not the old ones so go figure.

Lara's over the top death scenes a bit brutal though.
 

Dave Goff

Explorer
Sin City - I recognize it for an excellently crafted piece of art... that I just find ugly.
This is a thing for me- I often can recognize the hows and whys of something being great, and yet it still holds no interest to me whatsoever. Sin City is a great example.

And the other side applies as well- I recognize Supernatural is terrible, and yet I watched the whole damn thing. I know it's bad but that means I don't have much in the way of expectations while watching it. :)
 

Retreater

Legend
So it's one of those things where if someone were to ask me, "Do you like Tomb Raider?" I kind of have to respond with lots of caveats and provisos.

"Well, yes, but really only this one, small, niche part of the entire franchise, basically 2 (or 2.5) of the video games that came along in the middle of its run. The first two movies were amusingly forgettable at best and laughable at worst. The third movie (2018) was a little better, but still wasted most of its initial promise with an absolutely horrible last 1/3 of the film. I don't really care about any of the games prior to 2006, and don't really care about any of them after 2013. But, yeah, I guess I still sort of like Tomb Raider?"
This is how I feel about being a fan of Star Wars. I end up loving a few movies while disliking much of the rest. It's hard to be a fan of something and ... well, being discerning about what you like and not loving EVERYTHING about the franchise.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
I liked it but it didn't grab me enough to go further.
There’s no book called Discworld. What did you read?

I mean, I didn’t get on with the Clone Wars cartoon, but that doesn’t mean I don’t like Star Wars. It’s all different.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
There’s no book called Discworld. What did you read?

I mean, I didn’t get on with the Clone Wars cartoon, but that doesn’t mean I don’t like Star Wars. It’s all different.

I think it was his first one. Read it circa 1993 maybe 94.
 


This is how I feel about being a fan of Star Wars. I end up loving a few movies while disliking much of the rest. It's hard to be a fan of something and ... well, being discerning about what you like and not loving EVERYTHING about the franchise.

I need my Slack icons --- :1000%: :truestory:

Completely, totally relate. I'm much the same with Star Wars. Like . . . I think I've finally come to the conclusion, that I just really don't care about Anakin Skywalker. Like, at all. His whole story of how he "became" Darth Vader is the least interesting elements of the entire franchise. I simply do . . . not . . . care.

So that immediately removes Episodes 1-3, and all of Clone Wars from "Star Wars stuff Innerdude cares about."

Original trilogy, obviously still a big thumbs up.

At first watch, the "Disney" trilogy was mildly entertaining, but they don't hold up at all under the scrutiny of a 2nd or 3rd viewing. Force Awakens is still kind of a fun romp, if utterly derivative, but I've rapidly soured on Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker. Considering the history, lore, and available material they had to work with, Last Jedi and RoS represent the worst sci-fi filmmaking per dollar spent in cinematic history.

I don't really care about most of the "Old Republic" era stuff. When did the first KOTOR come out, 2002? 2003? Yep, started it three times, never finished it.

I couldn't care less about any of the Star Wars MMORPGs.

I thoroughly enjoyed the Thrawn novel trilogy. I enjoyed some of the "extended universe" novels --- the Jedi Academy trilogy and the Black Fleet Crisis were decent. The Coruscant Nights trilogy is my favorite Star Wars novel series, and it only involves a single original trilogy character, and even that only tagentially.

The Mandalorian and Rebels are both awesome. My 3 oldest daughters love both shows.

Any and all of the Kyle Katarn video games (Dark Forces / Jedi Knight / Jedi Outcast / Jedi Academy) are awesome.

And other than Rogue One, Jedi: Fallen Order is the best thing to happen to the Star Wars universe since the Empire Strikes Back.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
I need my Slack icons --- :1000%: :truestory:

Completely, totally relate. I'm much the same with Star Wars. Like . . . I think I've finally come to the conclusion, that I just really don't care about Anakin Skywalker. Like, at all. His whole story of how he "became" Darth Vader is the least interesting elements of the entire franchise. I simply do . . . not . . . care.

So that immediately removes Episodes 1-3, and all of Clone Wars from "Star Wars stuff Innerdude cares about."

Original trilogy, obviously still a big thumbs up.

I don't really care about most of the "Old Republic" era stuff. When did the first KOTOR come out, 2002? 2003? Yep, started it three times, never finished it.

I couldn't care less about any of the Star Wars MMORPGs.

I thoroughly enjoyed the Thrawn novel trilogy. I enjoyed some of the "extended universe" novels --- the Jedi Academy trilogy and the Black Fleet Crisis were decent. The Coruscant Nights trilogy is my favorite Star Wars novel series, and it only involves a single original trilogy character, and even that only tagentially.

The Mandalorian and Rebels are both awesome. My 3 oldest daughters love both shows.

Any and all of the Kyle Katarn video games (Dark Forces / Jedi Knight / Jedi Outcast / Jedi Academy) are awesome.

And other than Rogue One, Jedi: Fallen Order is the best thing to happen to the Star Wars universe since the Empire Strikes Back.

Jedi Academy and Black Fleet crisis aren't that well regarded they're OK there's a lot worse. Enjoyed them at the time.

Thrawn trilogy is really popular amount legends crowd.

It's much like anything legends or the new cannon is a mixed bag. Most of the good EU stuff doesn't revolve around the Skywalker's the Thrawn Trilogy/Duplogy the odd one out.

I think I like Rebels better than The Mandalorian because season 1 was spotty. Rebels is consistent right through out. If Mandalorian keeps up it's quality though it will displace Rebels.

Might be biased though did Rebels and Mando rewatch liked Rebels even more.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Jedi Academy and Black Fleet crisis aren't that well regarded they're OK there's a lot worse. Enjoyed them at the time.

Thrawn trilogy is really popular amount legends crowd.

It's much like anything legends or the new cannon is a mixed bag. Most of the good EU stuff doesn't revolve around the Skywalker's the Thrawn Trilogy/Duplogy the odd one out.

I think I like Rebels better than The Mandalorian because season 1 was spotty. Rebels is consistent right through out. If Mandalorian keeps up it's quality though it will displace Rebels.

Might be biased though did Rebels and Mando rewatch liked Rebels even more.
Eh. Rebels is pretty dire. Lots of bouncy people.
 

Ace

Adventurer
In addition to the Clone Wars: Supernatural, Cowboy Bebop, Princess Bride, Critical Role, The Fifth Element, Unbreakable, the entire Kevin Smith filmography, the entire Quentin Tarantino filmography, the Matrix movies, Labyrinth, Dark Crystal, Fantastic Beasts series, Sherlock, American Horror Story, The Walking Dead, Game of Thrones, The Witcher (tv series), Godfather/Scarface/Goodfellas/Sopranos gangster/mafia-type media.

I kind of agree with this list caveat I adore the Princess Bride and Labyrinth, I liked Bebop and the Witcher and Fantastic Beasts were meh, not terrible.

I'm going to try Supernatural at some point though. I just haven't been able to watch an entire episode.
 

MNblockhead

A Title Much Cooler Than Anything on the Old Site
I try to avoid reading much about movies or series that seem interest to me. Even if a work is not oversold, even it if deserves the praise it gets, there is a natural inclination to feel it didn't live up to the hype. I like to immerse myself and get drawn into movies, shows, and books. At the same time, I've reached the point in my life that I will not finish a book, movie, or TV series just because I started it. There is so much to do and enjoy in life that I don't see the point in forcing myself to finish entertainment that I'm not enjoying.

Very few video games hold my interest any more.

I'm conflicted about Jack Vance's Dying Earth Series. I actually read the entire series so I liked it enough, but I don't get the hype. Nostalgia I guess.

The TV series 24. Despite so many people telling me how great it was, I just couldn't get into it.

Breaking Bad. Watched a few episodes but wasn't drawn enough into it to make the investment of time in watching the entire series.

Some recent series I started and stopped:

Dragons Dogma. Stopped watching less than halfway through the first episode.

Blood of Zeus. Watched the first three and never felt interested enough to continue.

Lucifer. Watched a few episodes as the premise was entertaining but just couldn't get into it.

The Last Kingdom. I feel like I should like it, but couldn't get into it.

There are a lot more series I started watching and enjoyed at first but stopped watching after a season or two. But that is not really in the scope of this thread.
 

Ace

Adventurer
Sin City - I recognize it for an excellently crafted piece of art... that I just find ugly.

Most of American Horror Story - though their 1984 series was a hoot, and I set is aside from the others. I am picky about horror, in general.

South Park. Just no, thank you.
Yep. There are one or two South park episodes, mainly the Underpants Gnomes but you can keep the rest.
 

Eh. Rebels is pretty dire. Lots of bouncy people.

LOL, I love Rebels but can't totally argue with you on that. 5 seasons, and they never fixed the weird/bizarre animations for the way characters run.

And as far as South Park goes, other than the World of Warcraft episode from season 10, it pretty much jumped the shark halfway through season 4.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
LOL, I love Rebels but can't totally argue with you on that. 5 seasons, and they never fixed the weird/bizarre animations for the way characters run.
Everybody can also bounce 20 feet into the air. It’s like everybody is a Jedi. And the Jedi are all cartoon Spider-Man.
 

Ace

Adventurer
Everything by JJ Abrams
About half of Joss Whedon's output
Everything by the Wachowski Siblings other than "The Matrix"
Gone With The Wind
The Ten Commandments
Every Bryan Singer movie
Every Brian de Palma movie
Every Paul Voehoeven movie
Avatar (unless I have LSD or mushrooms)
Napolean Dynamite
Juno
Love Actually
The Blair Witch Project
Every Baz Luhrman movie
Every Luc Besson movie
Every Woody Allen movie
Forrest Gump
I have to say its nice to have a polite but hones disdain thread that has managed to not breakdown into anything personal. Its the very epitome of De gustibus non est disputandum

Also agree with much of this list. Whedon wise I liked Buffy, Angel and Firefly though. Dollhouse was really sick like a twisted power and worse fantasy , SVU from the perps POV and while I like Eliza Dushku, that show was way past my moral event horizon.

Gone with Wind and the Ten Commandments are great movies but only as history. They are are terribly dated in every respect. I probably wouldn't watch them or Ben Hur again.

Juno and Gump were fine, one watch only.

As for Mad Mel? I don't give a fig about his politics or religion, Still nothing on his list that is worth a rewatch except maybe Mad Max and Lethal Weapon.
 

Viking Bastard

Adventurer
The first thing that comes to mind is the Godfather trilogy. I can see that they are expertly crafted movies, but I just don't like them. I don't like a lot of mobster movies. I couldn't make it through the Sopranos either and I just get irritated thinking about Scarface.
 

Eltab

Is this a moon, or is it a space station?
Not long after Titanic set the record for most $20M weekends in the theater, my sister-in-law talked my wife and I into coming over and watching it via pay-per-view.

I was glad I brought a book.
How did those two modern teenagers get aboard the most high-class vessel available from 100 years ago?

I subsequently re-read "Collision Course" and borrowed every other Andrea Doria book I could find in my Public Library. I thought (and still think) I can write a better movie script story ...
 

Sacrosanct

Legend
The first thing that comes to mind is the Godfather trilogy.

Usually when this topic comes, this is the first thing that springs to mind. I just never liked them or got into them.

Other beloved items I just can't get into?

Dune (always puts me to sleep. All that inner monologue...blech)
Big Lebowski
Never saw an episode of Cowboy bebop nor do I want to
Supernatural after season 4. It totally soured on me after it went from monster hunting to only religion
Meh on Critical role. They are great people, I just don't find much entertainment in watching them.
 

pukunui

Legend
The Colour of Magic? Yeah, same story. That book isn’t good. Try a different one. There’s 40 of them!
I'll second this. I made the mistake of trying to get my cousin into Discworld by having him start with The Colour of Magic (since it's the first one).

I would recommend the Guards series (on which the upcoming The Watch series is very loosely based). My favorite Discworld novel is Thud!, but I think you'd need to read a number of the other Discworld novels to truly appreciate its greatness.

Also Interesting Times and The Last Continent are good.

I'd also recommend the Tiffany Aching series. Technically they're for "younger" readers but I find them just as enjoyable to read for myself. I Shall Wear Midnight is the best. Don't bother with the last one.


Pretty much anything in the "watch people play D&D" genre.
This I can handle videos of people talking about D&D but avoid the playing videos.
Man, I can't even handle videos of people talking about D&D let alone playing it. I think I just don't really like watching videos of people talking about anything really. I can read a lot faster than people can talk, so I prefer text to video. When I absolutely have to watch a talky video, I tend to speed it up.
 

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