Abilties and ECL

[Toj]

I have a question about assigning ECL's based on certain abilities.

How many bonus points in listen would be equivlant to ECL +1?
Like if a person had listen +10, is that equal to ECL +1?


Also, if someone had the natural ability of improved invisibilty (and it wasn't magic, i.e. Invisible Woman), what kind of ECL modifier would you apply?

 

[kreynolds]

How many bonus points in listen would be equivlant to ECL +1?
Like if a person had listen +10, is that equal to ECL +1?

Not a full point, IMO. Maybe if the bonus were about 4 to 6 points higher it would add a full point.

Also, if someone had the natural ability of improved invisibilty (and it wasn't magic, i.e. Invisible Woman), what kind of ECL modifier would you apply?

Would True Seeing or See Invisibility fully reveal the individual with this ability? Would it be treated as an Invisible Stalker's invisibility?

 

[Toj]

So, if you were to assign an ECL of +1 just for listen bonus, the listen bonus would have to be around +14 to +16?

With the invisibility... it's a natural ability, not coming from magic... more like DNA... Like an advanced race. I am not sure how that would work with magic.... I would say that no, that magic would not allow you to see the person.

I am working on some different templates and races etc and I am curious on how to assign an ECL.

Is there a book out that helps with this?

 

[kreynolds]

So, if you were to assign an ECL of +1 just for listen bonus, the listen bonus would have to be around +14 to +16?

That's where I would put it. YMMV.

With the invisibility... it's a natural ability, not coming from magic... more like DNA... Like an advanced race. I am not sure how that would work with magic.... I would say that no, that magic would not allow you to see the person.

Whoa. Uhhh...that would be a tough one. No way to dispel it. No way to counter it. No way to see through it. That would definately bump up the ECL a bit, though I have no idea how much.

I am working on some different templates and races etc and I am curious on how to assign an ECL.

Is there a book out that helps with this?

A direct guide? Not that I know of, though no doubt Anubis or Upper_Krust will come breezing through here in a matter of minutes.

 

[Toj]

Whoa. Uhhh...that would be a tough one. No way to dispel it. No way to counter it. No way to see through it. That would definately bump up the ECL a bit, though I have no idea how much.

Well there are ways to counter it. Personally I have made Blindfighting a skill, not a feat.

Basically you roll your blindfighting check each round.
The higher you roll, the less of a penalty you recieve.

With skills like hearing and smell, you could give synergy bonuses to blindfighting as well. It's just like someone invisible fighting Daredevil.... he suffers no penalties because his other senses are so high... so the basic way to counter someone invisible is to have a high blindfighting skill, high hearing, high smell, etc...

Anyone else have any opinions on the above mentioned topics? Upper_krust? Anubis? Anyone?

 

[kreynolds]

Blindsight would actually be better.

 

[Toj]

Yeah, I know what you mean.