AD&D First Edition inferior?

[Thorvald Kviksverd]

Actually, though I'm currently running a Basic D&D campaign, if I were to run a campaign using an unmodified ruleset...it would most likely be AD&D (1st Edition).

Just a matter of taste really--so, if nothing else, in a purely subjective sense AD&D would be superior for my needs.

 

[HellHound]

Although I have seen and heard of extreme examples of pain tolerence in women, I have heard similar stories about men, and I don't notice in my daily affairs that average women tend to bear discomfort better than average men.

In my previous employment as a body artist (a body piercer personally, but working in a trade that includes tattooing, branding, scarification, implantation and other procedures), I can say that in my daily affairs I HAVE noticed a distinct trend that average women tend to bear discomfort and pain FAR better than average men. And this observation of my own has been supported by every other professional in the industry that I have discussed this with.

 

[GENEWEIGEL]

I think this sex issue has always been a stinker.

It can't be discussed reasonably because of the nature of D&D being a game it is difficult to associate gender realities into an event where everyone is there to have a good time.

Besides on messageboards the "fake women" always get all the guys riled up when they exclaim that "all women are dainty flowers" making an outpour of "I told you so"s flood the board til the testosterone level gets so heavy the thread gets closed.

But seriously, I'd say in harsh reality that we live in an uptight era with politically correct mania and its harsh reactionaries filling up TV air time with discussion of overweight cheerleaders breaking boy's necks.

Let's "can" that talk as it is sensitive and it should only be presented with measured facts as to human secondary sex characteristics.

Which I really don't want to touch with a ten foot pole!

 

[Psion]

Does anyone have any feelings regarding AD&D First Edition being called "inferior" by some people?

(The first question that comes to my mind is "inferior to what", but I'll assume you are speaking of 3e.)

Not "feelings" so much as complete agreement. But then, the model t was great in its day, but I wouldn't expect it to compare to a mustang.

 

[Theuderic]

Great now someone is comparing games with cars.

 

[ForceUser]

1E and 2E are, to me, history. I would never run another campaign of either. The game has evolved for the better.

 

[GENEWEIGEL]

Re: Re: AD&D First Edition inferior?

(The first question that comes to my mind is "inferior to what", but I'll assume you are speaking of 3e.)

Not "feelings" so much as complete agreement. But then, the model t was great in its day, but I wouldn't expect it to compare to a mustang.

And this year's SPECULATIONtm "WORST ANALOGY" award goes to...

Just kidding.

I think 3e is "easier" to hit and that's what ends its smoothness.

Let's face it the saving throws were fine, well tuned and we didn't need to see the "see-through engine mounted on the roof".

You may not realize it but the loss of the cavalier as read killed the retrofitted authenticity garnered when the Unearthed Arcana came out. 2e failed to acknowledge the historical and functional value this class had brought to the table. And 3e repeated history with the stale "just another fighter" cavalier prestige class.

And that's just the beginning of the variegated gears in 3e!

I am not even going to get into the completely different game system that multiclassing, levels and experience has become.

The OGL needs a universal overhaul right now because 3e is not pleasing me as read and I'm sure it's not pleasing a lot of cash customers as read either.

Seriously why shun the legions of fans and give them no options for game style?

This is an avenue that the SRD has to take. The ignorance and hype associated with D&D was at an all time high when 3e came out.

I think we need to turn this game around into a "thinking man's game" again with a new SRD loaded with options that have been features of the various editions of the game.

What does anyone have to lose?

Even the new blood can agree with that.

Right, youngins?

 

[Garmorn]

Great now someone is comparing games with cars.

Yep, I was think about this as I read the tread. 1st Ed is more primitive the the current just like the Royals Rorce Silver Ghost or Ford's Model T is more primitive the modern cars. Are the inferior? Some will say yes but most car collectors will have a different opion. I personaly would love to one one of both.

 

[Dinkeldog]

Yes, I wonder if Turd Edition will still be the "perfect" edition when the new one comes out.

Look. You've obviously come here to pick fights. If you've got nothing constructive to add, then you're welcome to leave.

 

[SemperJase]

1st ed vs 3E. Discussion of sexes....

Uh...must....resist....controversial......post......

But really, I love 3rd ed. 1st ed has its nostalgia factor that 3e won't have for another 20 years and that 2nd ed will probably never have (uh oh, I may have done it there.)

AS for women and men, where would one be without the other? But that is a different thread.