D&D 5E Advanced D&D or "what to minimally fix in 5E?"

[Guest 7037866]

Which came first: 5E D&D, or other 5E games???

What, precisely, is the 5E ruleset devoid of D&D? Isn't "5E' just the current term used to replace the "d20" tag that began with 3rd Ed D&D?

 

[Distracted DM]

Which came first: 5E D&D, or other 5E games???

What, precisely, is the 5E ruleset devoid of D&D? Isn't "5E' just the current term used to replace the "d20" tag that began with 3rd Ed D&D?

There were tons of d20 games that weren't D&D. d20 Modern had nothing to do with D&D, but it used the d20 (aka 3e) ruleset.

I think that's the difference between D&D and 5e. You can have games that are using the 5e mechanics but don't require any use of the D&D5e rulebooks, like Esper Genesis, Level Up A5e, TotV, or Voidrunners Codex.

 

[Minigiant]

There were tons of d20 games that weren't D&D. d20 Modern had nothing to do with D&D, but it used the d20 (aka 3e) ruleset.

I think that's the difference between D&D and 5e. You can have games that are using the 5e mechanics but don't require any use of the D&D5e rulebooks, like Esper Genesis, Level Up A5e, TotV, or Voidrunners Codex.

I disagree whether the rulebooks come into play.

To me, it's about compatibility with the core mechanics.

You can freely swap independent parts of Official D&D, Level Up, or TOMotV. Many 3PP products are like that and they now can get onto DNDB Thats all 5e.

But there are Products that change so much internally that they don't play with the rest. Shadowdark might be 5e inspired but it isn't compatible. It's not 5e.

5e is not like d20. d20 just meant you used d20s as your main rolling die and a bunch of modifiers. 5e has a lot more core aspects one has to keep to be 5e.

 

[Vaalingrade]

It's less that Wizards knows how to fulfill class fantasy and offer deep customization and more that they're the only company focusing hard on broad appeal and putting money behind marketing.

Really most RPG designers are selfish in design and put their own desires heavily over broad appeal. And the ones who do attempt brought a pill typically don't have the marketing power or money behind them to come big. Then you get to the fact that many other RPGs straight up copy D&D and don't set themselves apart enough to directly compete with it.

5E has serious flaws but has ZERO competition at being a gateway fantasy RPG.

There's supposed to be an asterix between the Hasbro RPGs that aren't 5e and that last part.

Because the Power Rangers RPG is.... really really good at understanding Sentai while allowing customization.

 

[Guest 7037866]

There were tons of d20 games that weren't D&D. d20 Modern had nothing to do with D&D, but it used the d20 (aka 3e) ruleset.

I think that's the difference between D&D and 5e. You can have games that are using the 5e mechanics but don't require any use of the D&D5e rulebooks, like Esper Genesis, Level Up A5e, TotV, or Voidrunners Codex.

Right, but wasn't D&D d20 first? Then other game systems developed off from its rule set/ design?

I feel like D&D built 5E in the current ruleset, and other 5E games came online after.

 

[Distracted DM]

Right, but wasn't D&D d20 first? Then other game systems developed off from its rule set/ design?

I feel like D&D built 5E in the current ruleset, and other 5E games came online after.

Of course, yes in both cases.

 

[Distracted DM]

I disagree whether the rulebooks come into play.

To me, it's about compatibility with the core mechanics.

You can freely swap independent parts of Official D&D, Level Up, or TOMotV. Many 3PP products are like that and they now can get onto DNDB Thats all 5e.

But there are Products that change so much internally that they don't play with the rest. Shadowdark might be 5e inspired but it isn't compatible. It's not 5e.

5e is not like d20. d20 just meant you used d20s as your main rolling die and a bunch of modifiers. 5e has a lot more core aspects one has to keep to be 5e.

You're definitely correct about the compatibility thing, and Shadowdark is a good example of a game that isn't 5e but was inspired by it.

I think one big thing that's a 5e identifier is Proficiency Bonus. Other editions had BAB and Skill ranks or thaco etc.

5e has that universal scaling number that gets applied to things you're skilled at.

 

[FrogReaver]

Which came first: 5E D&D, or other 5E games???

What, precisely, is the 5E ruleset devoid of D&D? Isn't "5E' just the current term used to replace the "d20" tag that began with 3rd Ed D&D?

No. 5e replaced 4e which replaced 3.5e.

 

[FrogReaver]

By you, yes. Clearly. You’d didn’t need to explain that. I was following the exchange just fine.

Okay. How can I state I disagree with you in a way that doesn’t lead to being told I don’t need to state that?

I’ll be happy to do whatever that is from now on.

 

[FrogReaver]

5e is not like d20. d20 just meant you used d20s as your main rolling die and a bunch of modifiers. 5e has a lot more core aspects one has to keep to be 5e.

Curious what aspects are actually needed?