Adventuers Valt Q&A

[Saeviomagy]

Seriously? You think they intended that a single racial feat give the equivalent of like, six different superior weapon proficiencies for weapons that hadn't even been designed yet? Give me a break.

Would you ever take six different superior weapon proficiencies on a character?

Hell, would you take 2?

Unless you've got some specific concept, the answer is no. Having access to all superior spears is mechanically the exact same thing as having access to one superior spear. And I can't believe that the designers wouldn't have contemplated the possibility that there might be a superior spear at some point in the future.

And the reason they don't have a feat that does it? You can always just retrain to whichever specific superior weapon you happen to be using at the moment.

 

[Gort]

Would you ever take six different superior weapon proficiencies on a character?

Hell, would you take 2?

And the reason they don't have a feat that does it? You can always just retrain to whichever specific superior weapon you happen to be using at the moment.

It's not really the fact that you get 6 superior weapon proficiencies. It's the fact that all of a sudden, you get them in addition to a +2 bonus to damage. It just seems an awful lot for a single feat.

It feels like unintended power creep.

 

[Gloombunny]

It's not really the fact that you get 6 superior weapon proficiencies. It's the fact that all of a sudden, you get them in addition to a +2 bonus to damage. It just seems an awful lot for a single feat.

It feels like unintended power creep.

In the case of eladrin, they're still hardly optimal for spear-using classes, since they lack a Strength bonus. (Or even a Cha bonus to go paladinning with.)

Dwarves already make pretty good fighters, though, so I dunno if they really need a free superior hammer proficiency too.

 

[Gort]

In the case of eladrin, they're still hardly optimal for spear-using classes, since they lack a Strength bonus. (Or even a Cha bonus to go paladinning with.)

Dwarves already make pretty good fighters, though, so I dunno if they really need a free superior hammer proficiency too.

Well, the feats are there to balance both races lack of a strength bonus, to make them more viable fighter-types. I do agree, though, it's dwarves who are made more conspicuously powerful by this "change". (change in quotes because I'm still not convinced it was the intention of the designers)

 

[outsider]

Well, the feats are there to balance both races lack of a strength bonus, to make them more viable fighter-types. I do agree, though, it's dwarves who are made more conspicuously powerful by this "change". (change in quotes because I'm still not convinced it was the intention of the designers)

The feats don't do this job successfully without the superior weapon profs. Weapon focus is better.

 

[Drakhar]

Weapon focus is only better in the Epic tier, ties it in Paragon and is worse in heroic, and that's simply from a straight bonus to damage point, you're still getting free proficiencies with Eladrin and Dwarf training.

 

[outsider]

Characters that want to use a melee weapon will generally have proficiency for it from their class. Even if they don't get it from the class, they get a couple from the race.

How many dwarves will want to use a melee weapon yet not have it from their class? And how many of them will benefit from that melee weapon being an axe rather than a hammer, as dwarves already get two hammer proficiencies for free without the feat?

The characters that will make use of the simple/military proficiencies from these feats will be rare enough that I consider them a non-factor. Every body else will just retrain into weapon focus somewhere between level 10 and level 20. The feats really aren't that good without the superior proficiencies. Racial feats are more powerful on average than other feats, so I suspect this was intended all along.

 

[Gloombunny]

Honestly, I don't think it makes a very big difference either way. I mean, we're just talking about one feat that the character does or doesn't have to spend. At very low levels that might be pretty significant, but it doesn't take long before characters have enough feats that one more or less isn't gonna be a huge difference in power.

 

[Drakhar]

Characters that want to use a melee weapon will generally have proficiency for it from their class. Even if they don't get it from the class, they get a couple from the race.

How many dwarves will want to use a melee weapon yet not have it from their class? And how many of them will benefit from that melee weapon being an axe rather than a hammer, as dwarves already get two hammer proficiencies for free without the feat?

Dwarven Clerics, Warlocks, Eladrin Wizards.

 

[Gloombunny]

Dwarven Clerics, Warlocks, Eladrin Wizards.

Don't dwarves get warhammer proficiency just for being dwarves, without needing a feat? And eladrin get longsword proficiency, which is the only melee weapon a wizard has any business messing with. (And that only for Spiral Tower.) So getting a military proficiency from the feat is basically meaningless.