AEG Loses Stargate SG-1!!!

[Karl Green]

Hmm while I like AEG and all I am not super-hip on Spycraft or their SG-1 game. They are cool and all BUT just a bit to much 'chuck' for me... part of it was the Feat lists, which really turned me off (GAWD lets see I get 1 every three levels and need this 10, hmmm)

Eden has done a wonderful job with Buffy and Angel (and soon to be released Army of Darkness) but I am not sure if they are to interested in SG-1... they might be.

I would prefer someone like Green Ronin get Spycraft but then they are my fav company right now (and have been for a couple of years).

 

[Ranger REG]

AEGs Stargate line has Stargate core rulebook, Season books 1 and 2, the goa'uls sourcebook, and the unknown worlds book, for five products out all books. With them not keeping the license, thats pretty much it for them.

What if Sony allowed AEG to keep the license? Would we see more products?

Were you comparing AEG's rate of output to Eden's based on previous experience?

 

[dpmcalister]

That's an extremely unfair comparison. Eden still have the Buffy licence. If AEG still had the Stargate SG-1 licence, Season 3 would be out by now, along with, I've no doubt, at least one other supplement. If you want to look at AEG's commitment to supporting a line of products, look at Spycraft: thirteen products, twelve of which are books and v2 in the pipeline. That's not including the Shadowforce Archer line (which was seven products, all books) which was the official campaign world for Spycraft.

IIRC Buffy was released at around the same time as Spycraft, so that's Spycraft's twenty products in comparison with Buffy's eight (I'll "give" them the pre-releases). So? Who's support is better?

As for your statement that we'll see more Eden Stargate products, let's just wait to see how long they keep the licence for first!

 

[Ranger REG]

That's an extremely unfair comparison. Eden still have the Buffy licence. If AEG still had the Stargate SG-1 licence, Season 3 would be out by now, along with, I've no doubt, at least one other supplement. If you want to look at AEG's commitment to supporting a line of products, look at Spycraft: thirteen products, twelve of which are books and v2 in the pipeline. That's not including the Shadowforce Archer line (which was seven products, all books) which was the official campaign world for Spycraft.

Hate to jump over to the other side of the fence, but Spycraft is not a licensed product. AEG owned it, IP and all, so they can do it with any way they like, whereas licensed products are always at the service of an IP owner, who must give approval of the material before it goes to print; that one additional long step before we see such a thing hit the store shelves in time ... or not.

 

[dpmcalister]

By the tone of the post, the comparison was about AEG's ability to support a line in comparison to Eden's. However, I can still work within this...

Buffy was released three years ago (more or less) and has eight products published, or available on pre-order.

Stargate SG-1 was released eighteen months ago (again, more or less) and has five products published, although there was at least another ready to go.

So who's licenced support is better? Eden's with a supplement every 4.5 months, or AEG's with one every 3.6 months? Sure, it's not much of a difference, but a difference there still is!

 

[Ranger REG]

Now that's more like it. Truly sad that this line will only last two years.

 

[swrushing]

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That's an extremely unfair comparison. Eden still have the Buffy licence.

let me get this straight, you don't think eden's proven track record on keeping the licensed products (buffy since august of 2002 for example) and AEGs losing license property is valid consideration in a discussion of how well they will be expected to maintain and support a new licensed product?

Thats interesting.

If AEG still had the Stargate SG-1 licence, Season 3 would be out by now, along with, I've no doubt, at least one other supplement.

and if eden had produced two dozen more products for buffy, and provided free candy with each product, and if a lot of other things that did not happen had ever happened... the comparisons might be different.

If you want to look at AEG's commitment to supporting a line of products, look at Spycraft: thirteen products, twelve of which are books and v2 in the pipeline. That's not including the Shadowforce Archer line (which was seven products, all books) which was the official campaign world for Spycraft.

not a licensed product.
have you looked at how many games eden has put out?
i didn't even include angel in my comparison, but you want to include all the spycraft spalt.

a loyal aeg fan, thats for sure.

IIRC Buffy was released at around the same time as Spycraft, so that's Spycraft's twenty products in comparison with Buffy's eight (I'll "give" them the pre-releases). So? Who's support is better?

well, if in order to have aeg win out we have to compare a single eden licensed product to all the licensed and non-licensed products aeg produced, that says something.

As for your statement that we'll see more Eden Stargate products, let's just wait to see how long they keep the licence for first!

Is context too rough here?

I said in response to comments using buffy as an example supporting eden lack of support on licensed product, that IF eden produces as much as they did for buffy, then we will have more eden stargate products out than aeg stargate products out.

thats not a prediction.

I have no earthly idea how many products eden will plan on producing.

They may decide to go for bigger multi-season books instead of single season books or may decide to not provide as much of those season books as rules as opposed to source (since their system doesn't drive as clancey-esque hardware oriented) and they may be able to turn 8 seasons into two big books of almost all source, instead of a planned eight books of half-source half-rules/hardware.

I have no clue. but, given they have produced more product for buffy and have kept the license for longer and have more product on the way... i look at "eden's buffy history" and just don't see doom and gloom for stargate development by comparison with AEG.



if you do, thats cool!

 

[swrushing]

By the tone of the post, the comparison was about AEG's ability to support a line in comparison to Eden's. However, I can still work within this...

Buffy was released three years ago (more or less) and has eight products published, or available on pre-order.

Stargate SG-1 was released eighteen months ago (again, more or less) and has five products published, although there was at least another ready to go.

So who's licenced support is better? Eden's with a supplement every 4.5 months, or AEG's with one every 3.6 months? Sure, it's not much of a difference, but a difference there still is!

buffy shaow august 2002 so thats 32 months for 8 products assuming their march preorders hit match... thats 1 book every 4 months average.

stargate hit 9/2003 so thats 5 in 17 months so 1 book every 3 monthds average.

so the difference in four books a year and three books a year is somehow the difference between good product support and what? not good product support?

if thats how you see it, thats cool.

while 3 books a year and four books a year may be the break point for some, for me its not that big a deal. like i said earlier, i dont look at this difference and come away with any sort of doom and gloom prediction about eden getting the stargate line.

some did i reckon.

 

[swrushing]

Just to throw some more chum in the water, consider that Eden with bizarro has been developing a game called odyssey prime for use with d20 modern that was described on their site as "stargate meets armaggedon" iirc and that product has been on hold now since the license thing went up. i think it was last slated for november 2004.

so, its certainly not a guarantee that eden would produce a unisystem version of stargate instead of a d20 version.

 

[Bagpuss]

buffy shaow august 2002 so thats 32 months for 8 products assuming their march preorders hit match... thats 1 book every 4 months average.

Except it wasn't an average was it. It was more like the four books (you can hardly call the GM Screen and Character Journal's book IMHO), by May 03, about one every couple of months good support then nothing for ages, and delay after delay on Welcome to Sunnydale with it being pushed back and back, and you still can't actually buy it. Yet you are counting it, plus a revised rulebook and two flyers as full books.

Tell you what why not give you the two mini-suppliments as one book (although page count wise they aren't even close) and say you have 5 books in 30+ months, about one every five or six months, even if I add a month and give you, "Welcome to Sunnydale" as book 6, assuming it actually does come out in March.

Stargate hit 9/2003 so thats 5 in 17 months so 1 book every 3 monthds average.

You only count 5 Stargate books (at least they are all books, not pamplets or vapourware), yet ignore Season 3 which would be published by now if AEG still had the license, and has had its release schedule on hold during negociations. Previous to that AEG was doing about 1 book every other month.

so the difference in four books a year and three books a year is somehow the difference between good product support and what? not good product support?

No a difference of a pretty regular every few months release schedule compared to an erratic, release schedule with a promise of a book to appear some time in the future, that seems to get pushed back and back.

if thats how you see it, thats cool.

That's how I see it.


Little disclaimer: I actually think the Buffy books produced by Eden are great products, I love thier All Flesh Must Be Eaten and thier Conspiracy X lines. I'm sure they will actually do a good job with Stargate (if they get it), at least at the start.