AI/LLMs AI art bans are going to ruin small 3rd party creators

[Lanefan]

My boss at work routinely tells me to make PowerPoints with a bunch of data on it. Sometimes he gives me tweaks after the first draft.

When he presents them or claims stuff on his performance, he talks about “his staff prepared” or “under my direction we did” and not “I made this PowerPoint.”

You have a very nice boss. Keep him!

Bosses claiming credit for the work of their underlings was IME standard procedure.

 

[Lanefan]

Notice how much of their stuff was "classics" like shakespeare and Sherlock Holmes? It was trained on works out of copyright, in the public domain.

That's only because the script-writers had to hew to 20th-century copyright timelines because that's when they were writing, even though the fiction is set several centuries in what's supposed to be our future.

I'd like image and text LLMs trained solely on pre-20th century art & literature.

As a niche thing, that would be cool.

As a blanket rule, perhaps not so much.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

In effect, your piece was ghost-written, or ghost-painted. Your name is on it. You may have been involved. That involvement was not sufficient for many here to accept you did anything worth crediting.

See Mark Kostabi.


The differences between his method and the AI setup are primarily that the only artist’s work being emulated is his own, and that he told you upfront that you were buying something manufactured to emulate art- and were foolish for doing so.

 

[Morrus]

Bosses claiming credit for the work of their underlings was IME standard procedure.

My irony meter just exploded. Where do I send the bill?

 

[VHawkwinter]

"Claude, write me a one paragraph email to use to spam small business owners to see if they need any search engine optimization, landscaping work, or a ride to the airport."

"Most esteemed proprietor of commerce, I deduce from the elementary evidence of thy struggling web presence, thy overgrown hedgerows, and thy woeful lack of conveyance to yon aerodrome, that thou art in dire want of my most singular services! By the raven locks of Hamlet's ghost and the keen eye of my magnifying glass, I have observed — for I am not merely a man who sees, but one who observes — that thy Google rankings doth protest too much, thy shrubbery hath all the dignity of a villain's lair in the Sussex countryside, and thy journey to the airport is like Lear wandering the heath: long, tragic, and wholly unnecessary. Fear not, good merchant, for whether thou requirest thy search engine optimised with the precision of a Baker Street investigation, thy grounds trimmed with the grace of a Midsummer Night's dream, or a reliable carriage to Terminal B at a most reasonable rate, I stand ready to serve — and the game, as they say, is most decidedly afoot."

That is absolutely better.

 

[Epic Meepo]

Any new picture made by me and an AI tool must be my creation, because it cannot be the AI's.

That image is a collaborative work created by you plus all the artists whose contributions to the AI's training data informed the way the AI generated the image.

It's the same as if I write a program using a software library as a tool. The resulting program is a collaborative work created by myself plus all other programmers who contributed code to the software library I used as a tool.

 

[Morrus]

Any new picture made by me and an AI tool must be my creation, because it cannot be the AI's.

Your country's courts disagree. They have ruled clearly that AI content is not human created as their reasoning for why it cannot be copyrighted. By using an LLM you have not created anything, not just in my opinion, or from a moral/ethical standpoint, but legally speaking.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

They could also be deliberately choosing places that use nuclear or renewables, providing most of their own power via renewables or modular nuclear generators, and / or investing in carbon capture in sufficient amounts to compensate, such that their power consumption does not have the carbon impact it otherwise would. That's how I took it.

It is difficult to go deeper down that rabbit hole without getting political, but suffice to say, those can be a form of cooking the books, when the company is still using up more and more of the available power to the point where more fossils fuels still get used because of them, just not directly by them.

 

[Maxperson]

IMHO
If it is a tool (a position I agree with) the creator/provider of the tool should not be incorporating “stolen” goods into the tool.

I agree. My argument is that you can make AI if using AI as a tool, not that it's ethical to do so at this time.

 

[Maxperson]

In this case, their was a lot of design in the training data, and in the algorithm. Designs in which you have taken no part.

And am not using. In my example the end result isn't at all like the starting picture.

The fact that all these previous designs are so merged now that we can't link them to one specific name or origenator doesn't make all the previous designs involved magically disappear. It just obfuscates them.

Yes, which is why if you simply enter a prompt and keep what it gives you, you haven't created anything.