AI/LLMs AI art bans are going to ruin small 3rd party creators

[dragoner]

I am inclined to agree with you. People hate AI imagery. If they didn't, I might have considered using it for less important pieces. My game-in-progress currently has all work by me and one other person I hired for a few pieces, plus some CC0 textures I modified, and a bit of CC0 floral ornamentation, and I might add in some CC0 nature photography I filtered (the old fashioned way, no AI) to make it look like watercolour. I was planning to buy some 3d models and render them in blender for the places where stock art could be acceptable. You do not need to use AI Image generation, and people do truly hate it.

+1 for blender, they are a good org and should be supported, I have used blender artists for that reason.

 

[Blue]

Yes, and the US Copyright Office agrees.

Okay, if you insist that the US Copyright office agrees that your time has no value, I'll believe you.

But really, what you posted, while true, was orthogonal to the point that was being made.

 

[FrogReaver]

I would hesitate to call it a skill, because you don't have to be anything resembling a polished writer for a prompt to work in an LLM. At best, you can argue that you just need to write enough details of what you're imagining. But the AI is still doing all of the work after that. Unlike the photographer working in reality, who has to have that imagination and actually execute it entirely through human hands.

Do you think someone can imagine a particular image and prompt an ai repeatedly until it produces exactly what they are imagining? (I do). And if thats possible, even for one single person and one single image, then isn’t that the human creative process at work and not the ai?

 

[VHawkwinter]

This "humans and machines aren't the same" argument is how we eventually get killed by our robot overlords.

There is more than that at play here.

There will be a day when we will have have forum arguments about whether or not some human created thing is alive.

I don't think there is something fundamental to humanity that means we will always and forever be the only spark of creativity.

Certainly not. Chimps are apparently in the stone age now. Orcas and Octopodes have societies of a sort. Arguably also crows. Though society doesn't recognise it we already aren't the only people on the planet, just the most technologically advanced of the bunch.

Of course I'm speaking more theoretically and we aren't there YET...but we will be having that conversation one day...or our children's children will.

So, I have a background in software development and more than a minor in psychology. I don't think the fact that our LLM tech isn't a real AGI is primarily a tech limitation. IMO it's a deliberate design decision to NOT make it an AGI. I think we have the tech already to build a proper AGI (and have a pretty reasonable outline of what the components needed would look like), and I suspect some billionaire already has one running on a server rack in their basement. But no LLM like ChatGPT has the correct components (on purpose), and while a real AGI would include an LLM, that would only be one of many components of an AGI.

In my personal opinion Andy Warhols soup cans already have shown that stolen and reworked visuals can be considered proper art.

Collage art. Sure. But that's all made with human decisions, and human decisions are what makes something legally copyrightable.

 

[Morrus]

Do you think someone can imagine a particular image and prompt an ai repeatedly until it produces exactly what they are imagining? (I do). And if thats possible, even for one single person and one single image, then isn’t that the human creative process at work and not the ai?

Describing what you want and making what you want are not the same thing. I think it’s pure arrogance to describe something to a machine which then plagiarises artists to display the thing you described and then claim you created it. It’s like ordering something at a restaurant and then claiming you made the meal because you asked for it.

There’s lots of things I can describe. That doesn’t mean I am making them.

Sadly, making a million dollars is a lot harder than a describing a million dollars.