AI/LLMs AI art bans are going to ruin small 3rd party creators

[FrogReaver]

Not you.

Nice dodge. But really who created the image the ai outputs?

 

[Cordwainer Fish]

The architect does not own or control the houses built to the design.

Howard Roark on line 1, and he's hopping mad.

 

[zakael19]

My boss at work routinely tells me to make PowerPoints with a bunch of data on it. Sometimes he gives me tweaks after the first draft.

When he presents them or claims stuff on his performance, he talks about “his staff prepared” or “under my direction we did” and not “I made this PowerPoint.”

Very strange arguments being made here about prompting, especially since asking a LLM to build you prompts to get a reusable output is going to get you better prompts then those you’d make yourself…

 

[bsss]

Nice dodge. But really who created the image the ai outputs?

Thanks. I'm busy claiming random numbers from /dev/random as my creation over here, so I'll save answering your very important question for when I can research all of the inputs that fed the AI in your hypothetical.

 

[VHawkwinter]

they were asking for a $20/month subscription fee, but each 60-second video reportedly cost the company $15 to $18 to make. Sora would not be economical without a couple-few of orders of magnitude reduction in costs.

Well that math clearly does not work out.

IN THE US, that's true. In France and Germany, it's not. Don't assume american peculiarities apply throughout the world.

Interesting to hear. I'm not even American, but American news is loud on the internet and I'm not familiar with a similar precedent here.

Considering AI is resonsible for a massive global spike it total energy use, if they are still on track on paper it is because they are cooking the numbers right alongside the planet.

They could also be deliberately choosing places that use nuclear or renewables, providing most of their own power via renewables or modular nuclear generators, and / or investing in carbon capture in sufficient amounts to compensate, such that their power consumption does not have the carbon impact it otherwise would. That's how I took it.

 

[FrogReaver]

It's even worse than that. The AI is a tool.....a thing. Things cannot create, therefore if I and the tool make something new, there can be no creator other than me.

Honestly I think the notion that the ai is creator of the image is probably the worst long term take for artists. The implications seem fairly damning if ai is the creator of the images produced with it.

Thanks. I'm busy claiming random numbers from /dev/random as my creation over here, so I'll save answering your very important question for when I can research all of the inputs that fed the AI in your hypothetical.

I’m glad I can have abstract thoughts without needing every detail explicitly concrete.

 

[FrogReaver]

My boss at work routinely tells me to make PowerPoints with a bunch of data on it. Sometimes he gives me tweaks after the first draft.

When he presents them or claims stuff on his performance, he talks about “his staff prepared” or “under my direction we did” and not “I made this PowerPoint.”

Very strange arguments being made here about prompting, especially since asking a LLM to build you prompts to get a reusable output is going to get you better prompts then those you’d make yourself…

Sure, but we don’t see him crediting Microsoft or Dell when all he did was tell the computer to copy the numbers from his excel file to his personally created PowerPoint.

 

[Maxperson]

Why Anthropic’s Copyright Settlement Changes the Rules for AI Training

Anthropic's settlement came after a mixed ruling on the “fair use” where it potentially faced massive piracy damages for downloading millions of books illegally. The settlement seems to clarify an…

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Alsup ruled AI training us transformative fair use, but pirating all those books to do it was not fair use.

Sure, but there are other similar cases that could be ruled differently and/or appealed and a higher court rules differently. It's not truly settled yet.

 

[FrogReaver]

Sure, but there are other similar cases that could be ruled differently and/or appealed and a higher court rules differently. It's not truly settled yet.

And beyond that there’s also the possibility the court expands fair use by judicial powers to cover what ai did with scraping copyrighted works.

 

[aramis erak]

Interesting to hear. I'm not even American, but American news is loud on the internet and I'm not familiar with a similar precedent here.

Look up the Jungle Speed lawsuit. EU case.