James McMurray
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Flight is obviously allowed by the spell itself, its just a matter of finding a form to take.
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Flight is obviously allowed by the spell itself, its just a matter of finding a form to take.
Which I believe several different threads have said there to be effectively none for humanoids 
So the spell can, but it cant. Sortof like being able to cast fireball, but it only ever does half damage until you've been inside of a volcano and swam around for awhile.. It has a better and intersting use, but it is impossible to get except in incredibly extraordinary situations (as in, I think only one book out of the more than 20 discussed had one race that was a viable choice)
So the spell can, but it cant. Sortof like being able to cast fireball, but it only ever does half damage until you've been inside of a volcano and swam around for awhile.. It has a better and intersting use, but it is impossible to get except in incredibly extraordinary situations (as in, I think only one book out of the more than 20 discussed had one race that was a viable choice)James McMurray
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Avariels would count, as would (IIRC) the bat guys from Scarred Lands that somebody else mentioned.
And that just means that its harder for humanoids to get a form with wings. An outsider or dragon caster would be able to easily find a form capable of granting wings.
And that just means that its harder for humanoids to get a form with wings. An outsider or dragon caster would be able to easily find a form capable of granting wings.
Andion Isurand
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Humanoid Toolbox for Alter self.
Avariel = Fly 50 ft. (average)
Aquatic Elf = Swim 40 ft.
Gray Orc = 40 ft.
Mountain Spirit Folk = Climb 30 ft.
Troglodyte = +6 natural armor, 1d4 claws and bite
Goblin = take small size, but keep a 30 ft. speed
not to mention the racial skill bonuses and feats associated with some of these races
Avariel = Fly 50 ft. (average)
Aquatic Elf = Swim 40 ft.
Gray Orc = 40 ft.
Mountain Spirit Folk = Climb 30 ft.
Troglodyte = +6 natural armor, 1d4 claws and bite
Goblin = take small size, but keep a 30 ft. speed
not to mention the racial skill bonuses and feats associated with some of these races
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The four easiest forms to use:
Kobold: small size so +1 AC, +1 attack (ranged touch?), +4 hide (size) and +1 natural armor. Still move 30
Troglodyte: +6 natural armor and 3 natural attacks @ 1d4; Multiattack feat; +4 racial bonus on Hide checks (+8 in rocky or underground surroundings).
Locathah: +3 natual armor, land speed 10, swim 60, +8 swim checks to avoid obsticals, waterbreathing
Forest Gnome: speed 20, +2 Listen, +2 Craft (alchemy), +4 Hide, which improves to +8 forests, +4 hide from size, +1 hit/AC from size
Kobold for general use, Troglodyte for AC/melee, Locathah for water, forest gnome for scouting. That is a good variety out of one spell. You need avorials to get flight, or that bat race if they are humanoid not monsterous humanoid. If you get skinny on the bat people, let us know.
Kobold: small size so +1 AC, +1 attack (ranged touch?), +4 hide (size) and +1 natural armor. Still move 30
Troglodyte: +6 natural armor and 3 natural attacks @ 1d4; Multiattack feat; +4 racial bonus on Hide checks (+8 in rocky or underground surroundings).
Locathah: +3 natual armor, land speed 10, swim 60, +8 swim checks to avoid obsticals, waterbreathing
Forest Gnome: speed 20, +2 Listen, +2 Craft (alchemy), +4 Hide, which improves to +8 forests, +4 hide from size, +1 hit/AC from size
Kobold for general use, Troglodyte for AC/melee, Locathah for water, forest gnome for scouting. That is a good variety out of one spell. You need avorials to get flight, or that bat race if they are humanoid not monsterous humanoid. If you get skinny on the bat people, let us know.
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Actually, 'aint' is in the dictionary..lol.. at least every one I have in the house here and dictionary.com 
trogs are definately fun, and there are a lot of other races which are fun to do so with.. what if you are in a campaign world where the only valid targets are the core races though? Not horrible, but very limiting to some degree..lol
trogs are definately fun, and there are a lot of other races which are fun to do so with.. what if you are in a campaign world where the only valid targets are the core races though? Not horrible, but very limiting to some degree..lol
Particle_Man
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Emirikol said:
So a group of wizards could all benefit, if a) Wizard #1 saw a critter-humanoid, and b) Wizard #1 cast silent image just to show the other wizards a perfect duplicate of that critter-humanoid? Or only if the other wizards fail their saving throws vs. silent image? Or would this become a roundabout way of detecting that the silent image was only an illusion (try to cast alter self based on the image and fail)?
