AMC Prisoner Remake

Rackhir

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I only really made it through the first episode of the two broadcast last night. This one just doesn't work IMHO.

Jim Cavezel comes across as just a guy. McGoohan came across as an implacable, unbending force of nature. Exactly what you had to be in order to challenge something as oppressive and dominating as The Village. Cavezel is just too normal and spends too much of his time being flustered and "fish out of water".

I'm not really sure the whole "persuading people that there is nothing outside the Village" tack works as well either. There's too many holes in something like that. Calling people by just numbers "Six" instead of #6 doesn't work well either. They basically seem to have made all the wrong decisions as to what to change and how.

The one high point is Ian McKellen, who makes a perfect #2, but he's about the only real bright spot.
 

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I agree. To me (a big fan of the original series, who thought a remake was questionable at best), this failed on just about every level.

Patrick McGoohan's Number Six took all the crap that the Village (and the slew of "new Number Twos") could throw at him, and not only survived intact but often ran rings around them, turning their plans back upon them. In this new show, "Six" ends up blubbering to his fake "brother" that if he (Six) really is delusional then he's been treating his "brother" poorly. For God's sake, grow a pair, "Six" -- you're a disgrace to the number.

As far as that goes, having a Village whose inhabitants are referred to only by numbers (their names being taken away and not allowed to be used), is creepy and disorienting. When everyone - even the leader of the Village - is referred to as "Number _____," it reinforces the fact that they're all being treated as cogs in a machine. By having everyone referred to simply by their number ("Six" instead of "Number Six," "Two" instead of "Number Two"), it just make it sound as if everybody has weird names. (It does allow me to differentiate McGoohan's character as "Number Six" and Cavaziel's as "Six," though, which I'll continue to do in this post.)

Number Six had a distinctive outfit: the tan slacks and black jacket with white piping, which looked cool and was also something you wouldn't see in normal, everyday society. (Plus the cool button with his number and the old-fashioned bicycle, the emblem of the Village.) Six's outfit is nothing special, and wouldn't look out of place if I wore it to the local mall. Likewise, the original Villagers often wore those half-capes and carried the multicolored umbrellas, allowing them to look "different" from what you see every day in real life. These new Villagers look completely normal.

Number Six's Village was filled with people who had knowledge dangerous to their respective governments, and they had been kidnapped and forced to live under the conditions of the Village: names instead of numbers, don't question Village authority, etc. This new Village is apparently inhabited by people who aren't even aware that there is anything else on the whole planet other than their own Village. This opens up a whole lot of plot holes, which even Six could see: do the Villagers know what a crocodile is, and if so, how? (Since the Village is all that there is, and doesn't contain crocodiles.) I want to know how a Village of apparently less than 10,000 people (I don't think anybody's number had more than 4 digits) manages to refine its own gasoline, write, produce, and act in its own locally-broadcast soap operas, manufacture buses and automobiles, etc. without any contact from the outside world. Okay, I understand that obviously these things are being brought into the Village somehow, but none of the inhabitants even question where the new cars came from, or where the gas in the fuel pumps come from?

For that matter, if the Village is all there is in the world, what's the point of having a bus tour industry that shows you the sights of the Village? Who goes on these tours? And having gone on one, who would ever go on one again? All in all, I think if the producers of this show wanted to make a remake of "The Village" (the M. Night Shamalayan movie), they should have done that instead of remaking the Prisoner.

There were a few touches I did like, however: the fact that Ninety-Three was wearing the same jacket that Number Six did throughout the original series, the lava lamp in his room that evinced memories of the original show's Rover being formed, and the eventual appearance of Rover itself. But I think that's really all I liked about the show. My wife was ready to give it up as a lost cause 20 minutes into the first episode, but I vowed to give it my full attention for the first full two episodes. Having done so, all I can say is that I was really, really disappointed in the show, I think the creators made a bad call in just about every decision they made in remaking the original, and I don't intend to waste any more of my time on this crap.

At 7:00 PM tonight, I'll watch "House." At 9:00 PM, I'll watch "Castle." And just to wash the bad taste of last night's two hours out of my mouth, I think I'll pop the first episode of Patrick McGoohan's "The Prisoner" in the DVD and enjoy the Village as it used to be, and in my mind will always be.

Johnathan
 

Boy, am I glad I avoided looking at what I judged to be another monumentally craptastic remake of an older masterpiece!

Sorry y'all had to risk your eyeballs, but at least you saved the rest of us...like a soldier leaping on a grenade to save his buddies.
 


Having watched it all the way through, I'll at least say that all of your questions, Richard, are pretty much covered. It's a bizarre ide, where they take the whole thing, nothing like the original (at least as much as we learned), but it's defintely sort-of cohesive once you know what's going on. There's even potentially are reasonable reason for the bus tours. :)
 

Fast Learner - Care to elaborate? There's absolutely no chance I'll ever be convinced to devote the four hours of my life to watch the rest of this miniseries, and I'm curious to know how everything even sort of makes sense. I don't need extensive details; just the "bizarre idea" you mentioned (and the explanation for the bus tours) would be fine.

Johnathan
 

Well, basically -- and mind you, not everything was clear by any means --
The Village is a mental construct in the mind of a psychiatrist who is the wife of the real-world Number 2. They incorporate people's subconsciousnesses into The Village in order to heal them, Number 6 being no exception. At the end of the series when the truth is revealed to Number 6, it's also revealed that the woman in The Village that he's fallen in love with -- Number 313, I believe -- is batshit insane and only experiences any form of normalcy in The Village. Number 6 still wants to take down Number 2, so the project is effectively (somehow) transferred from the mind of Number 2's wife into the mind of Number 313, with Number 6 effectively serving as the ruler of The Village now, the old position of Number 2.

Because the whole thing is designed to be a place of normalcy where the subconsciousnesses in it can reform more socially acceptable connections and understandings, things are all simple and easy and "perfect." Bus tours around The Village reinforce to the subconsciousnesses how things are ok, normal, and peaceful.

Number 6 is a subconscious that never quite fits in, never accepts the world of The Village, but Number 2 has to keep trying to get him to fit in, in order to heal him. That the whole thing is in the minds of the people involved also explains the extraordinary geography and technology, since they can make up anything they want to.

So, y'know, not the original series at all. Interesting (somewhat) in its own right, but really in no sense a remake, which is kind of a shame, if for no other reason than that it was positioned as such.
 

A few of the other things I didn't mention, in part because they weren't all clear to me (I was watching casually, so it may be that careful watchers better understood):

I think the real-world Number 6 runs or owns the company sponsoring the whole thing.

People who are brought into The Village aren't having it done by choice -- the group running it appears to pick people off the street, etc., based on things like being criminals, being insane, etc.

Number 2 is an ass, no two ways around it. If the whole point was to heal people, it's hard to imagine that his techniques were required, especially with full control over the universe, as it were. Though who knows, maybe that was the only way to get through to Number 6.

Some people -- all of the children, including the child of Numbers 1 and 2 -- are entirely in the shared mind of the Number 1 (the wife of Number 2). As such, these people could never leave The Village, which eventually drives their "son" to suicide.

It seems that lots of things that happen are symbolic of what's happening to the subconsciousnesses. Number 1 (they don't call her that, but it seems appropriate) is fed pills by Number 2 to keep her unconscious inside The Village, presumably a sort of regular checking in by Number 2 to keep things stable. The Clinic is where people get subconscious tune-ups, where the rules and perfection of The Village are reinforced so that they can be in the right mental place to heal. Stuff like that.
Some of that is conjecture on my part, but seems to be what they were going for.
 



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