Ampersand: 2011 releases officially gutted

I've tried to stay positive through all of this. I like essentials and think they make a great addition to the 4e line. But this really takes me back. While the content may still be available, this is technically the end of Dragon and Dungeon magazine. I've been a subscriber since the AD&D era and to see these two magazines die behind the curtain of seperate web articles really saddens me.
I agree. Not having a compiled version of the magazine articles is a bit... jarring. It makes me wonder, how long will it be until they stop referring to the articles as being from Dragon or Dungeon altogether?

That would be a very sad day. :(

I have to wonder if WotC got a good taste of the DDI continuous subscription drug and is now hooked. They're looking for every reason to put everything behind DDI and keep that subscription fix coming.
I've never subscribed although I've been considering it since Dark Sun and Essentials came out. I'm really impressed with the new monster & class formats, themes, increased fluff, and the monster tiles.

However, if WotC puts the material that was supposed to be part of a canceled book behind their pay wall, I might have to boycott. That's not a good thing, IMO. :-S

I do remember reading (somewhere on the D&D site) that WotC is planning to expand the free side of the site as well. Perhaps some of what was in the books might become free content? :p

I can dream, can't I? :angel:

Even if WotC made some free and some behind the pay wall, I would be agreeable to trying DDI for a few months.
 

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2. Regarding the change to hardcover of Heroes of Shadow, and the cancellation of the other three books...I don't know about most people, but I'd decided not to buy anymore 'crunch' books. All that stuff is much better consumed by myself via the DDI tools.

That's why I was really looking forward to the Magic Item book. AV 1&2 were disappointing as it was just a random collection of magic items, but this one, I had high expectations for as it was essentially a fluff heavy piece (at least based on the previews) that I'd gladly buy to stimulate my DM brain. The DDI would get the items, but the book-owners would get the fluff, just like the Dark Sun creature catalog. They'd likely be more successful with this, but it's also a lot more work, so maybe the budget's not there.
 

It confuses me that they've dropped 3 player-targeted books and yet kept one that's distinctly DM-targeted (shadowfel), and with a restricted audience at that.

Might it just be that their new policy on vetting DDI content is leaving them without the rules-junkies to vet rule heavy books? That would explain shadowfell staying because it's liable to be almost entirely fluff, whereas the class compendium and mordenkainen's would both need some heavy rules work.
 

It confuses me that they've dropped 3 player-targeted books and yet kept one that's distinctly DM-targeted (shadowfel), and with a restricted audience at that.

Might it just be that their new policy on vetting DDI content is leaving them without the rules-junkies to vet rule heavy books? That would explain shadowfell staying because it's liable to be almost entirely fluff, whereas the class compendium and mordenkainen's would both need some heavy rules work.

Well, there is one reason why they might drop the crunch and push the fluff...dare I say it?

Dungeons and Dragons 5th Edition

[ducks]
 


we plan to deliver just as much great content for players this year through other formats, including board games, accessories, and digital offerings

Yeah, right.

Not for me.

Board games? That is not content, that is totally separate.

BTW, what accessories? No more minis. Who buys dice from WOTC? TWo tile sets this year. Who needs cards of any kind with WOTC? I don:t even see many adventures.

Digital offerings. Sorry, do not subscribe. I will buy books, though it looks like there are no books to buy.
 

Please stop with the 5E talk. Those comments were old years ago.

Sorry, I was speaking in jest. The mood here seems so dark, I was trying to lighten things up a bit. Heck, I even caught myself doomsaying this evening.

Whatever happens, D&D is still my favorite game, and that won't change anytime soon. We are discussing a game! This ought to be a pleasurable activity.
 

I'd like to offer a possible perspective on why the three books were canceled.

Look at the nature of the three books:

  • a massive list of class features and powers
  • a massive list of items
  • a "builders guidebook"
None of these are fluff items. Much of the artwork will be fairly bland (characters and items, rather than cool new monsters or maps or settings). These are not really books-for-reading and, while I appreciate that many like to have hard copy (and I most certainly do), most people will actually be using content from them via either the online compendium or the character builder.

From personal experience, I don't sit down with a Long Island Iced Tea on my deck and start reading Adventurers Vault 2 for the prose and the artwork. It's a reference manual, nothing more. And, increasingly, I find that it's a reference manual that I don't use that much. As a DM (and a player), I want to know all the possible 5th level Neck-slot items that I can find in the treasure chest, across all of my books and sources. Enter DDI...

The first two releases above are covered well by character builder and the online compendium. In fact, they're almost certainly covered 100% by those sources. They're 95% crunch, 5% fluff (and almost nobody even reads the 5% fluff that you'll find in a "magic item book" or a "more feats and powers" book). The third item is either in the same bucket (if it's crunch) or it's function is already largely handled by things like the Char Ops board (if it's a strategy guide).

In my opinion, they're small losses. And I suspect, from WotC's revenue projections, they're simply not a good bet in terms of money-makers. More and more people appear to be using DDI, which means these books aren't really a must-purchase. There's nothing in them that you don't get for "free" if you're already paying a sub. For my group, that means 5-of-10 players already get all the content for free. And of the remaining players, who's keen on yet another magic item book, and yet another character options book? Many of my players have splatbook fatigue. You can already use AV and AV2 with Essentials; I can't see many of my players forking our for Mord's Magnificent Emporium as well.

Now, there are two scenarios for me that would mean the sky is falling...

  • Nothing new gets announced for the rest of 2011. There are only three books released, a couple board games, and a crappy "action-adventure" computer game (rather than a classic CRPG like NWN or Baldur's Gate).
  • They start cancelling real books... books that aren't 160 pages of feats, powers and items for existing classes. I'm talking entirely new classes (Heroes of Shadow), new settings (Shadowfell), etc. These are the books that I will actually read from cover-to-cover.
I think it's too early to assume that either of the above is going to happen yet. I'll be interested to see what happens over the next couple months. If there have been no new releases announced (or more cancellations) by the end of March, then I'll begin to worry.
 
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I'm okay with going with individual articles rather than compiled zines, but it does seem to be an odd choice since it can't take very long to make those compiled zines. I can't imagine they're gaining much from this, but eh...maybe... (and that does cast that previous poll in a new light!).

It will allow them more flexibility on their weekly schedule. They don't have to worry about integrating articles into a whole. If they miss an article out, they don't have to go and reformat their compilation.

I may not like the weekly "schedule," and I use that term loosely, but the more WotC realizes that ezines are not magazines, the better off their digital initiatives will be.

I agree. Not having a compiled version of the magazine articles is a bit... jarring. It makes me wonder, how long will it be until they stop referring to the articles as being from Dragon or Dungeon altogether?

That would be a very sad day. :(

There's a good reason to keep the magazine titles - a clear demarcation between content meant for players and that meant for DMs. They're titles that have long since entered shorthand for determining the content of the articles. Plus, nostalgia keeps the old players happy.

It confuses me that they've dropped 3 player-targeted books and yet kept one that's distinctly DM-targeted (shadowfel), and with a restricted audience at that.

Might it just be that their new policy on vetting DDI content is leaving them without the rules-junkies to vet rule heavy books? That would explain shadowfell staying because it's liable to be almost entirely fluff, whereas the class compendium and mordenkainen's would both need some heavy rules work.

My guess, and this is only a guess, and an optimistic one at that:

My supposition is despite the grousing by people here (including myself), WotC is starting to realize that DDI is actually a viable business strategy. The subscription model tends to provide more stable income than one-off payments, which includes books. Of course, there are many more players than DMs, so the obvious business strategy is to drive players to DDI in order to take advantage of the stability.

So, like many others, I think that the canceled player books will eventually be converted to digital offerings, as a way of driving players to the website. However, you have to have a hook to get players going there - that would be Heroes of Shadow. I would not in the least be surprised to see references to, if not a whole ad for, DDI. It also likely provides a test point for book sales; what are the numbers like right now, should we consider more/less books, format changes, whatever. They still want a feel for the book market.

On the other hand, DM-flavored books (IMO) gain little from the move to DDI. Since they have less people buying them, it might be worth it to leave them as books; many of the DMs are probably DDI subscribers anyway. It's basically an added little bit of income from the small portion of their consumers that run the game. Note that Heroes of Shadow was moved to hardcover, but the others weren't - less overhead cost for printing a product that will make less money.

Looking at the long term, I suspect that if there's a future edition (of any type), that the online offerings will be a much bigger draw. In the same way 4E incorporates stuff WotC learned from 3E, a future edition would certainly incorporate everything has learned about digital offerings from teh start.
 

That's why I was really looking forward to the Magic Item book. AV 1&2 were disappointing as it was just a random collection of magic items, but this one, I had high expectations for as it was essentially a fluff heavy piece (at least based on the previews) that I'd gladly buy to stimulate my DM brain. The DDI would get the items, but the book-owners would get the fluff, just like the Dark Sun creature catalog. They'd likely be more successful with this, but it's also a lot more work, so maybe the budget's not there.
Perhaps they might replace the magic item book with a Adventurers Vault boxed set. B-)
 

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