Angel 4/21 (spoilers)

[John Crichton]

It means that

Spoiler

Connor is in the finale, which presumably would only happen if he actually did remember everything, as was pretty heavily implied anyway.

Ingobay.

I actually didn't want to know about it and stumbled upon it by accident. Oh well.

 

[John Crichton]

They obviously hinted enough for there to be ambiguity, but I don't think they did enough for it to be definite -- and I'm glad for that. I'd have been a little annoyed with a "Bye, Father," as the elevator door closed or something. As it is, we can read as much into that eye contact as we want -- maybe it was Father and Son saying good-bye to each other as best they can, or maybe it was a young man telling a warrior that he wanted to go back to his peaceful life, and the warrior was letting him leave.

Well said. I like a debatable ending and this certainly qualifies. Considering that this episode will affect how people see the entire Connor arc which took up the better part of 1.5 seasons of the show, they did a fine job doing it justice. They could have never brought Connor up again but they decided too, which I think is pretty balsy.

 

[Henry]

My take on this episode:

Adam Baldwin rocks. Hamilton makes Eve look like a nonentity. His devil's deal attempt with Gunn reminds us that he's not a nice guy (as if punching through a lawyer with your FIST is forgettable), but his coolness and collectedness reminds us that Wolfram and Hart are NOT as complacent with Angel as they want him to believe.

Gunn's sacrifice was the coolest thing in the whole episode. "Yo, Sparky, this heart ain't gonna cut itself out" was the funniest thing I heard all night (other than Angel's decision to have Spike test Illyria). Gunn knows he needs an atonement, and knows that any deal that WH offers will torture his soul far more than the physical hell he's in. Good for him.

The themes of memory and self-actualization were very engaging this episode. Despite not having remembered the events of Season 3, Wesley still takes the kind of path he once did. He does not trust Angel at his core, and probably never will, despite what he believes. Wesley is a great character, but he's also an . Angel's gift was NOT just for Conner, as he didn't realize until far too late...

I'm lovin' it. Bring on some more, and Darn the hides of the Fox Network Execs who cancelled my best TV show to watch.

 

[Psychotic Dreamer]

I'm lovin' it. Bring on some more, and Darn the hides of the Fox Network Execs who cancelled my best TV show to watch.

Well it's WB Execs, but close enough.

 

[takyris]

Ditto Henry in all meaningful ways.

Also, since I watched both this week's and last week's ep in one sitting, I should add that Whedon & Co.'s ability to inject humor even into a very dark situation is wonderful. Wesley and Illyria last week was interesting, and dark, and sad, and really well done, but what completely sold it was the Smurf line.

 

[Henry]

...Whedon & Co.'s ability to inject humor even into a very dark situation is wonderful. Wesley and Illyria last week was interesting, and dark, and sad, and really well done, but what completely sold it was the Smurf line.

From TVTome.com:

Illyria: "...I was god to a god. Now...I--I'm trapped...on a roof. Just one roof....in this time and this place, with an unstable human who drinks too much whiskey and called me a smurf."

(Wesley chuckles)

"You don't worship me at all, do you?"

What a great scene.

Incidentally, TVTome is a place I frequently go to relive some of the great quotes from Angel and Buffy. Those guys and gals put together a fantastic site.

 

[Wolf72]

In the spirit of Surviver Sponsers ...

the Tylenol Tough Guy Award for this week's Angel goes to ...

Gunn, "give me back my necklace".

 

[Vocenoctum]

And again I liked the peisode but it wasn't that well done. Angle was too uncompronmising, even for him. And wesley was way too bitter for towards angel, even for him.

I felt they went overboard as well, they stretched the characters a bit to fit the plot. Add in the Window thingee, which seems like SUCH a bad plot device. Did they run down to the corner store and grab a lantern off the shelf?

I thought Gunn had the best part in the epidoe with him choosing to remain in the hell dimension.

It did help, since one of my problems with last ep was that tyhe prison was at the whim of the SP. They can get Gunn out at any time.
Why Angel hasn't approached the SP about it, is something I don't like.

Also, this episode had the standard Angel problem of having a big thing last episode, and making no mention of it this week. Where was Lindsey? Did they explain it in the pre-credits? (which I missed)
They left behind one of their own for the guy, perhaps they should... use him?

 

[KainG]

I like this episode, and I thought it was very touching. In season 4, I felt I understood Connor; in this episode, I liked him. It's a pity we won't be seeing much more of well-adjusted Connor. Curse you, WB!

I loved the look on Wesley's face when it all came back to him. The guilt, the shame of what he had done. His interaction with Illyria becomes more and more intriguing.

Connor vs. Sahjahn felt short, but hey, they only had 50 mins. or something. But I liked their little chat before the fight.

I like the thought that, if it wasn't for all of Sahjahn's manipulations, Connor might never have been raised in Quor-Tah, and never developped the killing instinct he needed to kill Sahjahn. Hehe, that's the trick about prophecies, the more you work against them, the more they'll come true.

 

[stevelabny]

ok, to me either Connor DIDN'T get his memories right back, or the writers are taking severe liberties just to be ambiguous.

I'm sorry, but if Connor DID get his memories back and they ripped us on the scene where he asks about Fred and Gunn (his "babysitters", now "dead, but still around sorta" and "trapped in hell dimension") and CORDELIA (his would-be-girlfriend, now officially dead) that is a serious problem.

So as far as I'm concerned, he still doesn't remember. period.