I don't think he was in total bliss when Connor was born, partially due to the loss of Darla. Also, I don't think that he turned at the moment of climax with Buffy either - it was later, lying next to her and feeling totally at ease with himself and the world. This is shown pretty clearly in the episode where it happens.KnowTheToe said:Anyway I think I am more bothered about how they handle it (Angel turning). Angel was in total bliss when the baby was born, why no change? Josh must think men can only be happy during climax. Well, maybe he has something there.