Another Cease and Desist Letter: 4E Powercards

[Jack99]

One could point out a variety of evidence, from a vocal outcry, to the crappy GSL, Paizo's salkes increase monthly from the announcement of 4e, to the sellout of Pathfinder as a strong indicator of alleged splintering.

How big? I could not oin down a actual percentage, and its probably small, but its there.

But since your pretty strong in your conviction, I dont suppose YOU have any numbers, now do you? Didnt think so.

I might not have any hard numbers, but let's compare them to yours.

You have a "vocal" outcry (on Enworld) where a whole 600 out of 70.000 were so displeased with 4e that they chose to vote (in a poll that could be could be cheated with) about the fact that they aren't playing no more.

A crappy GSL? What on earth does that have to do with proving there is a splintering?

Paizo's increased sales? Last I checked, the only thing we know about that is a comment by Mona. Again, assuming you take what Mona says at face value (since no numbers have been released), I find it funny that you do not take Scott's or Mearls' or Slavicecks word at equal face value. But I guess this explains by the comments in my first post. Also, we have no idea about how much the increased sales are, it could be 1% or it could be 5000%.

Compared to that, we have 4e books selling more than the previous edition, according to places like US Today top 150, making it to the yearly amazon top 100 sales list. Every statement we have seen from WotC indicates that 4e outsold 3.x by quite a bit.

Does that sound like a splintered marked?

Not to me. Then again, I guess it depends on the word splintered. If you mean that they lost the usual 5-15% in an edition change, then sure, the marked is splintered. But if you are talking about 50% or something equally silly, then no, I do not believe we have anything that even ressembles a splintered marked.

I will also note that neither you nor I have any solid proof. Mine is just better by miles.

Cheers

 

[Murad]

I might not have any hard numbers, but let's compare them to yours.

You have a "vocal" outcry (on Enworld) where a whole 600 out of 70.000 were so displeased with 4e that they chose to vote (in a poll that could be could be cheated with) about the fact that they aren't playing no more.

A crappy GSL? What on earth does that have to do with proving there is a splintering?

Paizo's increased sales? Last I checked, the only thing we know about that is a comment by Mona. Again, assuming you take what Mona says at face value (since no numbers have been released), I find it funny that you do not take Scott's or Mearls' or Slavicecks word at equal face value. But I guess this explains by the comments in my first post. Also, we have no idea about how much the increased sales are, it could be 1% or it could be 5000%.

Compared to that, we have 4e books selling more than the previous edition, according to places like US Today top 150, making it to the yearly amazon top 100 sales list. Every statement we have seen from WotC indicates that 4e outsold 3.x by quite a bit.

Does that sound like a splintered marked?

Not to me. Then again, I guess it depends on the word splintered. If you mean that they lost the usual 5-15% in an edition change, then sure, the marked is splintered. But if you are talking about 50% or something equally silly, then no, I do not believe we have anything that even ressembles a splintered marked.

I will also note that neither you nor I have any solid proof. Mine is just better by miles.

Cheers

4E is worst edition ever. Is for children.

 

[the Jester]

Scott mentioned a site with all the D&D books available for downloads, and that there had been 9,000 downloads. Now, I have no idea how many books were in that bundle, but since he also mentioned that the site was just one of many (50?) he was looking into, well.. That's very quickly quite a few books.

Damn, time to step out of the books on this one.

 

[malraux]

do they break knee cap for the game? I not understand what man did wrong. He love game, and give it on his website for the people to see. They must be happy for this one.

Yes, he took the majority of the content of the PHB and posted it on his website. That violates copyright law, the law that give WotC the exclusive right to publish the PHB content. WotC sent him a letter stating that they felt he was violating their copyright and that they wanted him to take the website down. They probably listed the relevant laws that they felt were on their side. They likely said to do this within some timeframe (say three weeks) or they would consider actually starting a lawsuit.

 

[DimitriX]

There's nothing 'blind' about agreeing that the situation was a clear violation of copyright law. There is no basis for a huge uprising - the MMORPG examples you give are in no way parallel to the situation.

In fact, it has nothing to do with 'loving' WotC, but more with whether or not you agree with copyright law itself.

For the most part, people in this thread seem to understand that - even if they're disappointed with the decision. Being able to hold and express both those opinions I think is a sign of a more mature, reasonable group of people than you'll find on some MMORPG boards.

Thanks ENWorld!

Your posts weren't one of the ones I was referring to. That's why I decided to move my post to a new thread. I think my idea really is separate from the specific case we're discussing here.

 

[Jack99]

Kind of right. It was 9,000 separate document entries. Do the math.

Thanks for the correction, I couldn't find your old post (weak search-fu before 7 AM). And I agree. It is potentially quite a few dollars.

 

[Murad]

Yes, he took the majority of the content of the PHB and posted it on his website. That violates copyright law, the law that give WotC the exclusive right to publish the PHB content. WotC sent him a letter stating that they felt he was violating their copyright and that they wanted him to take the website down. They probably listed the relevant laws that they felt were on their side. They likely said to do this within some timeframe (say three weeks) or they would consider actually starting a lawsuit.

Is not fair use?

 

[Piratecat]

4E is worst edition ever. Is for children.

Murad, I don't care if you love D&D or hate it. If you're going to participate here, though, please stop with the insults. They aren't going to be tolerated.

 

[Murad]

Murad, I don't care if you love D&D or hate it. If you're going to participate here, though, please stop with the insults. They aren't going to be tolerated.

Is not insult. is opinion on game. I see many, many insult to the 3rd edition here.

 

[malraux]

Is not fair use?

Fair use covers relatively small amounts of copying. The website in question was copying upwards of 50 to 60 % of the entire book. Fair use is typically understood to be a paragraph or two.