Another Immortals Handbook thread

[Anabstercorian]

The problem was that I couldn't quite pin down what I wanted from Elementars, so I decided I would explain those in either the 2nd or 3rd Volumes (I have those sorted now though...you'll like them). Then a few pseudonaturals crept into Volume 1. Everything got a bit confused, as I was creating new monsters every day as I went along. I thought I could design about 100 epic monsters (about 33-34 per Volume), but I now have over 150 epic monsters at some stage of development and the ideas don't really seem to be drying up just yet.

Save them for later, for crying out loud! Making all these monsters without high level character rules is like painting a mural on the dark side of the moon.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hiya mate!

So a Black Hole Leviathan/Wizard 450,001 is a first level character? Cool.

Well it would have 1,445,904 Hit Dice, ECL would be approx. 1 million (off the top of my head).

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Anabstercorian dude!

Save them for later, for crying out loud!

Okay, okay.

Making all these monsters without high level character rules is like painting a mural on the dark side of the moon.

Well you do have high-level character rules...just not the best high-level character rules.

...just thinking about it though, those 150+ monsters would make one heck of an Epic Bestiary Hardback.

 

[historian]

Hey U_K!

Well it would have 1,445,904 Hit Dice, ECL would be approx. 1 million (off the top of my head).

Exactly who/what would create a black hole golem and what would it defend?

Assuming an upward adjustment in HD/CR and stats for the neutronium golem (and potentially the other golems), do you anticipate beefing up the other beasts, or at least expanding their range for HD advancement? Potentially you could have a pretty significant gulf between First Ones and Time Lords. I'm guessing this gulf could be explained by saying that not all Time Lords are capable of creating Neutronium Golems?

Thanks

 

[Fieari]

If you could somehow, SOMEHOW get him close enough to make a ranged attack, the infamous Hulking Hurler build on the WotC Character Optimization boards could probably still kill a Black Hole Golem. But then, that's the trick, isn't it.... getting close enough to attack it and live. And while the HH can dish out a couple trillion damage per iterative attack on a successful hit, he's known for having a terrible glass jaw, and his attack bonus isn't so great either, so it's quite hard for him to hit anything that isn't, say, a planet.

 

[Sledge]

But wouldn't a black hole golem have a terribly horrible AC due to it drawing all missile fire towards it?

So anyways, I've got this money laid out for the next book. When can I fork it over?

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey U_K!

Hiya mate!

Exactly who/what would create a black hole golem and what would it defend?

Well, relatively speaking they are not that much more powerful than Neutronium Golems, so you have to expect they operate under similar criteria. If the Neutronium Golem was a (Movanic) Deva then the Black Hole Golem might be a Solar.

Assuming an upward adjustment in HD/CR and stats for the neutronium golem (and potentially the other golems), do you anticipate beefing up the other beasts, or at least expanding their range for HD advancement?

No.

Potentially you could have a pretty significant gulf between First Ones and Time Lords.

I could, but I don't really. There gulf between Time Lord and High Lord starts to grow pretty quickly though.

I'm guessing this gulf could be explained by saying that not all Time Lords are capable of creating Neutronium Golems?

I'll not know for definite until I finalise the magic system.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Fieari mate!

If you could somehow, SOMEHOW get him close enough to make a ranged attack, the infamous Hulking Hurler build on the WotC Character Optimization boards could probably still kill a Black Hole Golem.

Unlikely.

Okay I just tracked it down, is this what you mean?

http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=142565

If so, I have already analysed the problem, in fact its one I already fix in the Bestiary under Universal Base Damage.

The way they have damage scale in the Complete Warrior is totally ludicrous.

The end of complete warrior says that a thrown weapon does 5d6 damage for a 400 pound object, plus another 1d6 for every 200 pounds beyond that.

Utter nonsense. No wonder the Hulking Hurler is broken.

But then, that's the trick, isn't it.... getting close enough to attack it and live. And while the HH can dish out a couple trillion damage per iterative attack on a successful hit, he's known for having a terrible glass jaw, and his attack bonus isn't so great either, so it's quite hard for him to hit anything that isn't, say, a planet.

Full marks to people for finding such a loophole in the official rules, but you have to get up a bit earlier to pull the wool over my eyes. Hulking Hurler indeed.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Sledge mate!

But wouldn't a black hole golem have a terribly horrible AC due to it drawing all missile fire towards it?

Good point. Although the real problem is more likely to be penetrating its DR 45,180/- and whittling down its 400 million (or so) hit points.

So anyways, I've got this money laid out for the next book. When can I fork it over?

I'm working on it. I'll let you all know as soon as its finished.

 

[Sledge]

Sledge taps his fingers nervously.....

"AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I can't take it anymore, I need my next epic fix"