WotC Anyone Else Tired of the Wizards Bashing?

[Vaalingrade]

So this is the other side of the coin for this thread. You've got complaints about WotC bashing - and here we have dismissal of someone's reportedly stressful experience. A "polite home invasion" that, according to one source, got his wife crying. Do you normally cry at "polite home invasions"? Or is it possible that the "home invasion" wasn't quite so "polite"?

It's the guy's own fault for not incorporating at the first opportunity.

 

[DammitVictor]

I'm sure everyone's sick of the WotC bashing, especially WotC themselves... but critically, WotC isn't sick of it enough to stop screwing the pooch. The thing is, businesses like Hasbro don't respond to condemnation, they only respond to quantifiable losses to their bottom line. The only way to reform their recent behaviors and the recent corporate culture that motivated them is to keep bleeding them until they're willing to take the right actions to staunch the flow.

When they follow up half an apology-- and, admittedly, one hell of a gesture of goodwill-- with more thugging, it shows they've still got the wrong people in the wrong offices making the wrong decisions.

 

[mamba]

So this is the other side of the coin for this thread. You've got complaints about WotC bashing - and here we have dismissal of someone's reportedly stressful experience. A "polite home invasion" that, according to one source, got his wife crying. Do you normally cry at "polite home invasions"? Or is it possible that the "home invasion" wasn't quite so "polite"?

no idea, I never had a home invasion, polite or otherwise. I also have no idea how tough his wife is (not at all from what I can tell).

Here’s the thing though, he could have avoided all of this if he had wanted to. All he had to do is cooperate when WotC contacted him. That he did not is what resulted in them sending someone over. I’d be much more receptive if that had been WotC first move, but it wasn’t.

I have little empathy for people who behave like he did. Trying to make some bucks from things he knows he should not have, refusing to return them when contacted, and finally whining about the treatment he brought onto himself that was not that bad to begin with.
He certainly never believed the legal threat, and at no time did he appear terrorized either. So as far as terrorization goes, this barely counts.

So on one side, people who constantly bash or complain about WotC.
And on the other side, people who will constantly minimize any shenanigans that WotC pulls.

I did not minimize the OGL, but this simply amounts to nothing

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

When they follow up half an apology-- and, admittedly, one hell of a gesture of goodwill-- with more thugging, it shows they've still got the wrong people in the wrong offices making the wrong decisions.

Yeah, I have to wonder how many incidents have to occur before someone senior asks the mid level managers to stop stepping on every rake they can find.

 

[Aldarc]

It seems like the easiest way for the WotC-bashing to stop would be for WotC to stop screwing up so badly with their own communities.

 

[eyeheartawk]

Here’s the thing though, he could have avoided all of this if he had wanted to. All he had to do is cooperate when WotC contacted him. That he did not is what resulted in them sending someone over.

Alot of really terrible actions are post-hoc justified by sentences starting with "if they had just complied". For evidence see gestures vaguely in the direction of everything.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Here’s the thing though, he could have avoided all of this if he had wanted to. All he had to do is cooperate when WotC contacted him. That he did not is what resulted in them sending someone over.

This is some pretty dystopian stuff.

He didn't commit a crime. If he had, the actual cops would have been there instead.

If you ignored my emails about something, me hiring some people to show up on your doorstep and to lie about you committing a crime would rightly have you outraged.

 

[eyeheartawk]

This is some pretty dystopian stuff.

I've already resigned myself to looking forward to my daily rations of corpse starch and rekaf as I toil for the God-Emperor in the bowels of my hive city.

 

[TheSword]

This is some pretty dystopian stuff.

He didn't commit a crime. If he had, the actual cops would have been there instead.

If you ignored my emails about something, me hiring some people to show up on your doorstep and to lie about you committing a crime would rightly have you outraged.

I don’t know about where you live but the cops don’t have time or the resources to get involved in these kinds of things. Court action doesn’t work because it isn’t timely enough and is a crap shoot anyway.

So if you think you’re being wronged you have limited choices. Ask nicely. Ask firmly.

The guy was dishonest. Not terribly. He wasn’t Al Capone, but he’d gotten his greasy mitts on something he shouldn’t have and then made hay out of it. Unashamedly. This guy didn’t just enjoy the cards and tell his friends - he went on the internet and made advertising revenue off videos of it. WotC didn’t break down the door and hold his wife hostage. Neither did they sing Kumayah and hold hands but that was never going to be an option.

This situation evokes similar (but lesser) feelings in me as when I hear a burglar has injured themselves in someone’s house and is suing the owner. I just can’t muster up the sympathy for him.

I wonder if the lines on this argument can be drawn along those people who like Yellowstone and those that don’t

 

[mamba]

Alot of really terrible actions are post-hoc justified by sentences starting with "if they had just complied". For evidence see gestures vaguely in the direction of everything.

that does not mean that 1) this action was horrible, 2) the action was not justified in this instance