WotC Anyone Else Tired of the Wizards Bashing?

[TheSword]

it’s like the Mastercard advert says…

…A good set of sturdy boots $100
…hiring agents to recover misappropriate cards $1500
…replacing with the real cards $4,000

… Using said cards serial numbers to find the leaker in their distribution...priceless!

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

and they wanted to find out who that was from him

I sure hope you've never had to investigate anything, because YouTube Guy is really low on the list of people they need to talk to, especially since they know he'll immediately announce that it happened on YouTube.

He bought a different set from what was being delivered.

But he bought them. The fact that someone upstream stuck the wrong stuff in the box that he eventually purchased does not magically make him not the purchaser.

Now, if the allegation that he knowingly purchased possibly stolen merchandise is proven (like when a jury convicts him of possession of stolen property), that's different. But everyone preferring that version of events should remember that WotC doesn't believe he committed a crime.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

I believe he's saying that because the food was paid for by someone it's not theft.

That makes no sense to me. That would just mean that they didn't rob the delivery guy or the restaurant, but they certainly robbed the guy who paid for the food.

If, on the other hand, the scenario is like a Pizza, where the guy shows up with the food and wants payment, and you PAY for it, all you stole was someone's time ordering it, which isn't much of a crime, but is a jerk thing to do.

 

[mamba]

Let's fill the prisons, boys!

I doubt it results in prison sentences

 

[Vaalingrade]

Sorry... what? They paid for the food that was given to them by mistake? Now I'm not following you.

Okay, so this happens almost monthly:

You order say, South of the Border: Crab Enchilada, some of those ground beef empandas, and a Coke.

You Recieve: Chicken Enchilada, nachos and a Sprite.

Your choices are: to spend an hour dealing with the Doordash Chat thing where they disconnect you if you take more than three seconds to type any reply, spend two hours trying to get someone on the phone, or just eat the damn thing and apparently be considered a thief for some reason.

 

[Raiztt]

That makes no sense to me. That would just mean that they didn't rob the delivery guy or the restaurant, but they certainly robbed the guy who paid for the food.

If, on the other hand, the scenario is like a Pizza, where the guy shows up with the food and wants payment, and you PAY for it, all you stole was someone's time ordering it, which isn't much of a crime, but is a jerk thing to do.

I do not know him well, so this is purely speculation, but I would imagine when it comes to ethical dichotomies he leans toward utilitarianism and not deontology - at least that's what it seems like to me - which is why he and some people disagree so vehemently despite knowing the same set of facts.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

… Using said cards serial numbers to find the leaker in their distribution...priceless!

If I can look at a penny and see where in the US it was minted, WotC should definitely figure out some way to track their cards better, since they can't seem to get a handle on their distribution chain.

 

[Shardstone]

interesting, well, he can take this up with WotC's lawyer, pretty sure they have something they can throw at him over this

They don't actually, which is why they sent the armed thugs to berate him.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

Still stuck on that burrito side conversation?

I guess? I mean, I've engaged in it for around five minutes or so. Is that stuck on it?

 

[Raiztt]

Okay, so this happens almost monthly:

You order say, South of the Border: Crab Enchilada, some of those ground beef empandas, and a Coke.

You Recieve: Chicken Enchilada, nachos and a Sprite.

Your choices are: to spend an hour dealing with the Doordash Chat thing where they disconnect you if you take more than three seconds to type any reply, spend two hours trying to get someone on the phone, or just eat the damn thing and apparently be considered a thief for some reason.

This is not the same scenario at all, it's completely different.

 

[Vaalingrade]

I believe he's saying that because the food was paid for by someone it's not theft.

He is not.

 

[Shardstone]

Isn't it crazy that so many people in this thread defend WotC even though WotC apologized for sending armed thugs to intimidate someone? You guys don't even agree with WotC when they say they went too far!

 

[mamba]

I sure hope you've never had to investigate anything, because YouTube Guy is really low on the list of people they need to talk to, especially since they know he'll immediately announce that it happened on YouTube.

I am not following, is he saying who he got it from on Youtube? Otherwise I would definitely ask him

But he bought them. The fact that someone upstream stuck the wrong stuff in the box that he eventually purchased does not magically make him not the purchaser.

they make him not the purchaser of this set, not sure what is so hard about that

 

[trappedslider]

… Using said cards serial numbers to find the leaker in their distribution...priceless!

The packaging has ways to track it, but the cards themselves do not.

 

[Digdude]

You don't need dudes with guns to do that.

Depends on the location.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Still stuck on that burrito side conversation?

If anyone cares more about MTG cards than they do burritos, their priorities are all out of whack.

Burritos are delicious.

 

[Maxperson]

Two of Wizards' actions have been unexcusable this year-the hiring of the Pinkertons and attempting to revoke the OGL. Condem Wizards for these actions and move on. I would prefer not to have the game I enjoy playing most being attacked incessantly for years to come for anything it's detractors can spin, and I hope others will join me in condemning these actions.

This reads to me like, "Two of WotC's actions have been inexcusable this year, so let's excuse them and instead condemn the people who find those two things inexcusable."

 

[Raiztt]

Isn't it crazy that so many people in this thread defend WotC even though WotC apologized for sending armed thugs to intimidate someone? You guys don't even agree with WotC when they say they went too far!

Well that's because WotC, in actuality, absolutely does not believe they went too far. They're saying that to save face and for PR reasons.

You see, as a corporation, their only allegiance is to money not any ethical norm. Do you honestly believe any corporation's PR?

 

[Scribe]

it's almost like one group of fans are willing to overlook WotC's past actions (the whole 30th-anniversary nonsense) since they more than likely don't know nor care what the OGL fiasco is/was instead of being fixated on it.

30th, OGL, Pinkerton.

Man, what a great company to give luxury funds to.

 

[TheSword]

If I can look at a penny and see where in the US it was minted, WotC should definitely figure out some way to track their cards better, since they can't seem to get a handle on their distribution chain.

The more I read about it, the more I’m convinced this is what they wanted most of all. Boxes and foil packet serial numbers so they have concrete proof for internal investigations/dismissals/police action. if it was my company then that would be pretty high on my agenda.